Published on February 29, 2008 By Artysim In Politics

Sooner or later the war in Iraq is going to end. I think everyone from all political persuasions can at least agree that at some point, the majority of U.S service personnel will leave the country and come back home. The reasons for coming home however may turn out to be far different than many folks think.

When the troops come home, it will not be because of political or military victory. If those do occur it will be counted as an additional bonus and if victory hasn't been achieved than it will be artificially created in the media. Probably by stating that the Iraqi gov is able to stand on it's own, similar to the situation in Vietnam in the years following the withdrawal of the bulk of U.S forces from the country.

But this article really isn't about whether or not the U.S will be victorious in Iraq. It is about why it will, at some point ultimately leave. It think it will not end because of insurgent attacks or political maneuvering. It will not end if a democratic president takes office. It will end because of the state of the U.S economy.

Once again, let me state this article is not about politics. I really don't give a damn about republican or democratic pissing contests and think most of it is a smoke screen for some very serious systemic problems. Whichever president takes office next year is going to be walking into a big mess. Quite simply the U.S is not going to able to afford spending 12 billion per month, entirely on credit, just adding to the national debt, to maintain their present operations in Iraq.

Look at this in terms of dollars and sense-

Inflation is running rampant- the U.S dollar continues to sink vs other world currencies at an alarming rate.

Cost of oil is over 100 dollars per barrel. Most folks only equate this to how much they will have to pay at the pump but don't consider how dependent farming and industrial capacity are on petroleum. As cost of oil goes up, so does your food and most commodities. Converting lotsa corn to ethanol is only going to make cost of food go higher too.

Banking sector is in BIG trouble, every few days releasing further write-downs in chunks of a few billion here and there. They are doing this to try and trickle out the bad news instead of let loose a flood, the truth being that they have lost a TON of money and will be forced to pass on the costs to the U.S consumer in an attempt to stay solvent.

Due to inflation and overall state of the economy, basic costs of living, food and fuel continue to go up. Wages are not rising to match the rate of inflation by any means. Majority of the U.S GDP is consumer based. Average consumer is getting hammered and the bad times are just starting. Much of the economic "growth" of the last few years was due to folks using their houses as ATM machines by refinancing their mortgages. The party days of cheap credit are now coming to a close and folks won't be able to do this anymore.

Fed keeps dropping interest rates to try and get folks to borrow money and keep liquidity in the system. Rate is now dropped to 3 % and things are still looking pretty dicey. The lower it drops, the more inflation we risk, and if it hits 0 and things don't improve the fed would have to start paying people to borrow money.

And of course there's the subprime housing issue, which is interconnected to some of the points I've mentioned above.

This relates to Iraq because Iraq is very, very expensive and not one nickel has actually gone to pay for it- the entire thing has essentially been payed for on the biggest VISA bill in history. The U.S national debt is now over 9 trillion dollars, and every month the U.S gov pays out 12 billion just for military expenses in Iraq alone. This figure doesn't include all of the related costs like re-furbishing and re-equipping units when they return home, healthcare and disabilities for vets and the like. Those "associated" costs push the 12 billion per month mark much higher. Once all the troops do come home, no one is able to say just how much it will cost to get the U.S military back up to pre-war condition. Years of combat deployments in the desert has wreaked havoc on lots of gear and getting it all back up to snuff once things are said and done will be in the tens or hundreds of billions to repair and replace.

Once the decision is made to leave, it will cost billions more to leave- heavy equipment transferred, the final 3 or 4 major bases the U.S plans to leave in country will need to be finalized into the permanent mega-bases they were planned to be, and of course final payments made to all the contractors... 1 in 3 U.S personnel in Iraq is currently a contractor, a fact little publicized.

With the brewing economic troubles at home, this kind of fiscal expenditure will come under increased scrutiny. If the decision is made to keep troops in country, then public programs, social security and the like will need to be cut to continue paying for the war, or massive cuts will need to be made in other areas of the defense budget.

This is a question I would like to pose to JU: How will the U.S continue to pay for the war in Iraq?

In my mind I see a couple of possibilities:

1) Close some foreign bases and installations. The U.S has hundreds of bases in foreign countries around the world costing billions per year to operate and maintain. It is possible that many of these will be closed down to continue footing the bill. However the U.S doesn't like to leave a possible strategic installation unless absolutely necessary (U.S facilities in Okinawa and South Korea, for example, would probably not be shut down to continue paying for Iraq)

2) Cut back on aquisition of big ticket defense items... this means reducing spending on things like nuclear subs and the missile shield. While these items will be necessary in "the next war" against another superpower, they have little impact on urban style combat. This decision would be hugely unpopular with the defense industry that has extensive lobbying in washington, and many strategic think-tanks who see the U.S as quietly ramping up to take on China and a revitalized Russia in the not so distant future

3) Cut back on social programs at home- namely healthcare, social security, and education. This wouldn't be passed off as "cuts" so much as "privatization" of these assets- more charter schools, etc. Considering the state that many consumers at home will find themselves in, it will not be a popular decision with many folks. Justifying reduced spending at home to continue spending for a conflict entering it's 6th year (will be at this point next year) will be a hard sell.

4) Raise Taxes! This one will be very unpopular with everyone across the board.

5) Renege on the U.S debt. This would essentially be the U.S telling the world "we're not gonna pay" this would have drastic, drastic consequences across the board, and would basically require the U.S to start or precipitate a major war in a last ditch attempt to maintain super power status. If they reneged on the debt and didn't flex their military muscle as a show of force to the world, things at home would get really bad really fast economically.

 

 

 

 


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on Feb 29, 2008

Sorry forgot to add the following possibility- make the oil companies pay for an increasing share of the burden. They are, after all the business entities that are profitting the most from doing business in Iraq, next to all the private contractors employed there by the Gov.

on Feb 29, 2008

I know, I know (as I wave my hand in the air).  Can I answer?

ok.  The way we are going to pay for the War is to give everyone Refunds so that they can contribute these refunds back to the government.  I mean isn't that what all the Dems will do with their tax refund?  If so, we conservatives should just follow their example.

And all will be well.

 

 

on Feb 29, 2008

Not only won't the next president allow a defeat in Iraq on their watch (the only candidate that hasn't signaled they will continue the war is Ron Paul), the programs each of the major candidates are proposing will require increased spending.

Furthermore, I doubt Pelosi and Reid will continue sitting on their hands once the new president has taken office.  Both of them have major plans.. plans that will require billions.

Both major parties have made it clear that they only care about deficit spending when they are pointing their fingers across the aisle.  The Democrats complain that we "can't afford" the war in Iraq... but then they go on to say, "that money could be better spent..."  In other words, they would spend the same amount of money, just differently.

So, it's useless to wonder how anything will be paid for, since niether side cares.

on Feb 29, 2008

I'd vote for eliminating medicaid as a good way to pay for the war.

on Feb 29, 2008

Not only won't the next president allow a defeat in Iraq on their watch (the only candidate that hasn't signaled they will continue the war is Ron Paul), the programs each of the major candidates are proposing will require increased spending.

I guess what I was trying to say with this article was, what if the U.S is forced to leave because it simply can no longer afford the financial cost of operating in Iraq. Will the next president sacrifice more domestic spending to keep Iraq going, even during a bad recession?

on Feb 29, 2008

I'd vote for eliminating medicaid as a good way to pay for the war.

Would definitely free up a lot of cash.... would the public accept this?

on Feb 29, 2008

ok. The way we are going to pay for the War is to give everyone Refunds so that they can contribute these refunds back to the government. I mean isn't that what all the Dems will do with their tax refund? If so, we conservatives should just follow their example.

on Mar 01, 2008
I guess what I was trying to say with this article was, what if the U.S is forced to leave because it simply can no longer afford the financial cost of operating in Iraq. Will the next president sacrifice more domestic spending to keep Iraq going, even during a bad recession?


Yes, that was your point, and it was a good one. What I'm saying is that neither party cares. Unless they can find a way to blame the other side, they won't stop any program or war on their watch.

In other words, they'll both spend, tax and do whatever they need to do to put the real fiscal problems on to the next president.
on Mar 01, 2008

Would definitely free up a lot of cash.... would the public accept this?

Yes, I am the public and I would support this.

This may sound harsh, but oh well.  Since spending lots of time in a nursing home the last several months.....

I can attest that at some point, people just need to die, instead of soaking up billions a year in FREE (to them) health care.

IMO the only "free" health care should be for children...

on Mar 01, 2008

One more thing,

Right now our soldiers take the brunt of terrorists angst because

1.  They're Americans

2.  They're THERE

If we leave, then America better be prepared to start sacrificing civilians of all walks of life, because they aren't going to just stop.  They will bring the fight to us.  And since they are such cowards, they aren't going to be attacking trained soldiers.

Oh no.  They like women and children a whole lot better.

Got some?

on Mar 01, 2008
End all welfare programs, that will be a good start.

on Mar 01, 2008
Tova:
If we leave, then America better be prepared to start sacrificing civilians of all walks of life, because they aren't going to just stop. They will bring the fight to us. And since they are such cowards, they aren't going to be attacking trained soldiers.


That was the U.S. official policy for decades... it didn't work.
on Mar 03, 2008

One more thing, Right now our soldiers take the brunt of terrorists angst because 1. They're Americans 2. They're THERE If we leave, then America better be prepared to start sacrificing civilians of all walks of life, because they aren't going to just stop. They will bring the fight to us. And since they are such cowards, they aren't going to be attacking trained soldiers. Oh no. They like women and children a whole lot better. Got some?

Yes, the argument that we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here is one of the key points in continuing the Iraq war-

That said-

1) Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11

2) Iraq had no WMD's

3) There were no terrorists in Iraq before the invasion. After the U.S "won" the war (If you'll remember there was a party on an aircraft carrier announcing the end of major combat with a big banner that said mission accomplished) then AQ moved in. Many of the people who were shooting at coalition folks were disenfranchised Iraqis who could have been very easily turned pro-US if the CPA leader hadn't been an incompetent buffoon like Paul Bremer (may he burn in hell for what he's done). If you want to know the reason why so many Iraqis turned into insurgents, it's largely due to the actions of Paul Bremer's order 1 and order 2- completely disbanding the Iraqi army, turning 350,000 former military personnel into unemployed angry young men, and completely gutting the professional class necessary for basic operations of a nation due to de-baathification. But anywho, I digress.

 I'm sure many of you fine folks disagree completely with all 3 of the above points I just listed, but now let's look at some details- the dollars and sense of this whole thing-

The monetary cost of getting us to where we are today in Iraq-

Currently the war in Iraq has cost at minimum just over 500 billion. This figure is open to debate as some believe it is much higher than this, as there are many, many associated costs that don't get factored into the "in-theatre" expenses, but for arguments sake let's state the minimum figure as 500 bil at present and go from there. This isn't counting regular U.S military budget, which has increased 60% since the year 2000.

Even if the U.S were to pull out tomorrow, minimum price tag when all is said and done will be at absolute minimum 1 trillion dollars, many folks say much, much  higher. After transporting all the men and materiel back home, re-equipping units with worn out and destroyed gear, retraining and replenishments of ranks and all the VA costs etc.

The cost of the U.S embassy construction in Iraq is coming in at a cool 736 million.

1 in 3 coalition personnel in Iraq are civillian contractors. This is everything from civy technicians who work on military gear to actual mercenaries (called security contractors) who do gate duty, installation security, convoy protection and close-quarters protection for VIP's and the like. Halliburton has multiple contracts for everything from food services to morale centers and has secured more than 20 billion from the U.S gov through it's contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the many security contractors providing services for the U.S gov is Blackwater, which has secured approx 1 billion dollars worth of contracts since the bombing of the USS Cole. Total spending on "the outsourced military" that was Rumsfeld's wet dream is not known in it's entirety but it is in the billions as well.

Iraq has been a very profitable war for several big companies, and these corporate profits have come directly from your pocket, the taxpayer. Halliburton, out of loyalty to the U.S gov after securing so many billions in contracts, recently moved it's headquarters out of the U.S to Dubai.

 

 

on Mar 03, 2008
The effects on the US economy are pretty obvious to non-Americans - the Australian dollar is nearing parity with the US dollar for the first time since, well, ever.

It's all very impressive until you realise that the Australian dollar has fallen against the Euro at the same time.

America may well deserve to be the world's economic superpower, as Draginol has hinted at in the past, but if you look at the cold hard coinage, Europe is the future.
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