Published on March 29, 2009 By Artysim In Politics

Hello Fellow Joeusers. I'm going to be offline for awhile, so I thought I'd leave you with a rather interesting article from one of my favorite sites which I highly encourage you all to go and check out;

http://www.truthdig.com/

I see that Obama's been in office for what, 3 months? And, apparently everything is his fault. As I've said earlier, many times, I was pro-Bush for the first year of his presidency until I realized what a tool he really was. So, I'll leave you with this little diddy.

The Right’s Twisted Blame Game

By Joe Conason

As Barack Obama’s economic advisers confront choices that vary from bad to worse in their mission to revive the financial sector and the broader economy, it is worth remembering that those choices were in essence inherited by the president, who is still new to his office. Listening to his critics, especially on the right, it would be easy to believe that the president is personally responsible for ballooning deficits, gigantic bailouts, ridiculous bonuses, nationalized institutions and careening markets. It would be easy to believe but it’s entirely false—and merely the latest episode in an old political con game that is all too typical of Washington.

Ever since Election Day 2008, the usual suspects have been hard at work, deflecting responsibility from the Bush administration (and the Republicans in Congress) for the catastrophic effects of conservative policy enacted during the past eight years. Within days after Obama’s victory, as stock prices fell, radio host and ideological commissar Rush Limbaugh exclaimed that we were already in the “Obama recession.”

In fact, the economy had been shrinking for nearly a year by then, and the market was responding to bad economic news rather than the election result.

But facts are inconvenient for propaganda—especially when politicians and pundits are seeking to escape blame for policies that have failed.

Among the boldest perpetrators of this con game over the past few decades is Limbaugh, who shares with his fellow Republicans a peculiar method of timing the blame for economic woe. When he was flacking for the first President Bush back in 1992, he wrote: “The worst economic period in the last 50 years was under Jimmy Carter, which led to the 1981-82 recession, a recession more punishing than the current one.” But of course the president during the 1982 recession was not named Carter; that president was the sainted Ronald Reagan.

In January 1981, Reagan took the oath, and within his first three months had rammed through a budget that contained his historic “supply-side” tax cuts. Reagan budget director David Stockman had created computer simulations supposedly showing that those tax cuts would result in 5 percent growth in gross domestic product during the following year. Years later, when simulation failed to materialize as reality, Stockman referred cynically to that prediction as the “rosy scenario”—and admitted that it was essentially a fraud. Contrary to the rosy scenario, 1982 was the worst year since the Great Depression, with negative growth of 2.2 percent.

According to conservative theory, the mere announcement of massive tax cuts for the rich by a Republican president ought to have stimulated euphoria in the markets and rapid growth. And according to that same theory, as explicated by Limbaugh, the prospect of a Democratic president with a progressive agenda was what drove the markets down last autumn.

But there is a double standard at work here. When a Democrat is elected president, he is responsible for economic contraction even if he will not be inaugurated for three months. When a Republican is actually president, he need not be held responsible, even well after he takes office.

If that strikes you as inconsistent, then you are beginning to notice how blatant deception passes for conservative ideology. But the deception is even worse than it appears at first glance.

The same Republicans in Congress and on the radio who lionize the late Reagan now complain bitterly about the tax increases on the wealthy in President Obama’s budget. What they never mention is that their conservative idol, faced with the recession that they blamed on his predecessor, likewise raised taxes during an economic slump.

Terrified by the looming deficits that resulted from the supply-side tax cuts, the Reagan administration rolled back many of the cuts just a year after they had passed—instituting what then amounted to the largest tax increase in American history. Those tax hikes took back about a third of the cuts legislated in 1981. But that historic tax increase is never mentioned when Republican legislators invoke Reagan—and they still love to blame Carter for their hero’s recession.

So even as critics roast President Obama and his treasury secretary, honesty requires that they acknowledge that the problems faced by Obama and Timothy Geithner are not of their making. Obama has held office only since Jan. 20—and if held to the Reagan standard, he deserves at least a year to begin correcting the Bush recession.

Joe Conason writes for The New York Observer.

 


Comments
on Mar 29, 2009

just wow there is so much fail in this posting I dont even know where to start.

 

Bottom line is BO is not rising taxes to help the econ, hes raising taxes to "spread the wealth" and make more gov. I see you fell into the typical lies . But I guess that is okay because you may not be the one getting taxed to hell, but then again if your middle class thinking your exempt from getting taxed to hell think again. There is no damn way that the gov can subatain the current budget without taxing more than the top 5% of the population. That leaves us working class people who as some people in office right now " are to busy with their lives making ends meet " to care.

 

Poor people got BO elected. Because of the promise of FREE MONEY!!!!!! who cares if you actually get off your butt and for the sake of god EARN what you have.

 

O and carter started the ball on the sub prime lending and you buddy clinton really laxed it. Guess what got this country into this mess? yep people taking on home loans that could not afford the ARM rates. but hey everyone has a right to own a home right? I mean never mind living inside your means and realizing that just maybe ... a house is not ment to be for you.

 

I have a idea... how about for once the gov becomes smaller and live withen its own means? I mean dang... what a concept. Instead you are punishing the working people , telling us what to do behind our own closed doors in our own homes and while you are doing this your ramming stuff at us making us "LIKE IT OR ELSE!"

 

Carbon credits..what  a joke. Socailized health care? what  joke. Lets just make more stupid socail programs... I mean once in place they never get takin away.

 

You buddy makes bush look like a saint spending wise... and bush had a "war" going on.

 

 

BTW if you like such ways of life like BO wants to make it along with nancy P ( she cant even make her won state work without bankupting it mind  you ) move to france... please.

on Mar 29, 2009

I hope you are around to read this before you "go ofline" for it would be shameful to put such an article and not respond to the comments on it.

Well, nothing like finding the first flaw of your article and the comments made by one of your "favorite sites" to make this whole article pointless and full of bias.

deflecting responsibility from the Bush administration (and the Republicans in Congress) for the catastrophic effects of conservative policy enacted during the past eight years.

For starters Bush was not Conservative and everyone knows this, that right there should have hinted you at the BS of this article, but I would not expect you to take this little piece ionto consideration because the entire article itself fits your agenda perfectly. Second, hardly any of Bush's policies could be considered Conservative policies. Conservatives don't believe in Big Gov't and Gov't spending out of control. We don't believe in welfare like programs.

The part you seem to be missing about the whole Obama blame game is that no one has said the current economic issues are Obama's fault (which makes your entire article even more pointless), but that he made many, many promises to those who voted for him and so far he has broken most of them within the first 3 months of his Administration and has made so many bad choices it's sad that most people are simply ignoring them because they are blinded by him Divine Words of Wisdom. Obama is not to blame for the current crisis, those at fault go way back to Jimmy Carter and all those in the Gov't who knew about this and did little or nothing to avoid it due to greed and politics. But mostly, the American peopel are to blame for ignoring all the signs, for being so greedy and more than anything for being such a bunch of babies who need big dddy Govt to save them from their on stupidity. Obama is not at fault for this crisis, but he is responsible for making it worse since he promised he would fix everything. I guess this was the big problems Bioden said Obama would face in his first 6 months, massive spending, new socialist programs galore, Iran not backing down, N. Korea more defiant than ever, Russia not bending over backwards for us and Afghanistan getting worse. Seems to me Obama is doing a great job so far, I'm glad his first order as President was to tackle to worst problem facing our nation, Gitmo.

on Mar 29, 2009

I don't disagree the economy was already going down when he took office.  The difference is he passed a Porkulus bill that in one time made 8 years of Bush spending look like nothing.

Lets not forget his unbelievable budget that they are trying to go through now.  It became Obama's economy when he passed all this nonsense.  

  • Taxing charitable contributions.
  • Raising taxes during a recession.
  • Incredible amount of pork despite the BS of transparency.
The left seem to be running out of things to blame Bush for, since Obama's poll numbers are falling faster than expected.
Lets just ask theh simple question, do you support all these nonsense from Obama?

 

on Mar 29, 2009

Thanks for the birthday present, Arty.  Enjoy your time 'away.'

As Barack Obama’s economic advisers confront choices that vary from bad to worse in their mission to revive the financial sector and the broader economy, it is worth remembering that those choices were in essence inherited by the president, who is still new to his office.

First, let me say that time-honored tradition ascribes the 'blame' for all economic woes to the previous President when they occur around the time of or shortly after a change in party affiliation of the Presidency, Rush notwithstanding.  Congress actually deserves the blame, mind you, but it has the advantage of being too diffuse a target with too many names, so our lazy media (and many of us) lay it off on the Executive.  It's just easier that way, with only one target to aim for.

So let's get that part out of the way and concede that it's all Bush's fault.  I disagree with that only in degree, as I believe Bush was wrong to hit the panic button and enable Congress to push through TARP I.  He shouldn't have asked for it, shouldn't have signed it.  It was like serving up a hanging curve ball to Hank Aaron.  More like being the pitcher at the Home Run Derby, actually, and it set a precedent that he had to know would be exploited to the max if the Democrats took complete control, which at that point looked nearly inevitable.

Now to BO and Conason's straw man argument that BO's choices vary only from 'bad to worse' because of what he inherited.  BO and his apologists can keep bashing Bush for the problem, for all the good it will do, but they sure as hell can't blame him for the choices BO's making now and can't claim the inherited problems constrain his options entirely to choices from 'bad to worse.'  It is interesting to note that even his apologist's (Conason in this case) admit that he's choosing from the 'bad to worse' side of the menu.

Furthermore, BO signed up for the job.  By so thoroughly and relentlessly assigning blame for anything & everything to the sitting President during his campaign, he set himself up for the same treatment once he secured the job he signed up for.  He bought in to the fantasy (or 'truth,' if you choose to call it that) & ruthlessly exploited it.  May he now enjoy the fruits of his labor.  He has no cause to complain.

Ever since Election Day 2008, the usual suspects have been hard at work, deflecting responsibility from the Bush administration (and the Republicans in Congress) for the catastrophic effects of conservative policy enacted during the past eight years.

Call it the Bush recession.  I don't care.  But I'd be interested in a bit more detail about the 'conservative policy enacted during the past eight years' and how, exactly, it had 'catastrophic effects.'  This is intellectually lazy, simplistic propaganda.  At no time did Republicans have filibuster-proof control of Congress, let alone a 'conservative' majority, and many of the policies were hardly 'conservative.'  There were plenty of conservatives who were rather vocal critics of aspects of Bush's economic policies.  Furthermore, the seeds of the recent economic meltdown, caused almost entirely by the real estate bubble bursting & pulling the rug out from under the mortgage-backed securities market, were sewn before Bush entered office.  Based on Conason's contentions, we shouldn't blame Bush - he 'inherited' them.

To his credit, he tried valiantly, if too quietly, to remedy the problems at Fannie & Freddie, but was rebuffed by a Congress that failed in its fiduciary duty.  The problem was made clear to Congress and it had the opportunity to nip the problem in the bud, but opposition from Democrats & 'compassionate conservative' Republicans killed meaningful reform.  I fault Bush for not getting up on his Bully Pulpit about this and many other issues in which he should have been much more publicly and forcefully engaged (another topic in itself).

Within days after Obama’s victory, as stock prices fell, radio host and ideological commissar Rush Limbaugh exclaimed that we were already in the “Obama recession.”

Now that Bush is gone (and being respectfully quiet), we need a new bogeyman - BO's administration is just continuing in campaign mode, doing whatever it can to deflect attention from what really matters.  That business about not letting a good crisis go to waste wasn't just an off-hand comment from Rahm - they believe deeply that they can achieve their agenda if they keep the media busy with bullshit.  If only the media realized how they are being played for suckers.  The ones who aren't actively & willingly participating in promoting the BS, that is.

In January 1981, Reagan took the oath, and within his first three months had rammed through a budget that contained his historic “supply-side” tax cuts. Reagan budget director David Stockman had created computer simulations supposedly showing that those tax cuts would result in 5 percent growth in gross domestic product during the following year. Years later, when simulation failed to materialize as reality, Stockman referred cynically to that prediction as the “rosy scenario”—and admitted that it was essentially a fraud. Contrary to the rosy scenario, 1982 was the worst year since the Great Depression, with negative growth of 2.2 percent.

Just goes to show you that rosy scenarios are just that.  However, whether you believe those policies were beneficial or not depends entirely on your assumptions about economic cycles and their timelines.  It can be argued that the only thing 'rosy' was the expectation about the timing, as opposed to the effect.  That they were wrong about the timing doesn't mean they were wrong about the ultimate effect.  It can also be argued that those policies worked in spite of Reagan's subsequent decision to raise taxes - he picked a good time to ride the wave which led ultimately to the surpluses Clinton is so pleased to claim as his own.  Also gave Bush41 the 'Read my lips" opening.  Even Conason admits they 'took back' only a third of the tax cuts - so they weren't wrong on principle, just on how much to cut taxes at that particular point in the economic cycle.  Even then, it is hard to argue that raising taxes 'helped' the economy at the time - helped the government, for sure, but probably not the economy, which was already gaining steam, possibly in part (maybe substantially) from those previous 'supply-side' tax cuts.  Furthermore, had Reagan been successful in seriously trimming the fat from the federal government, there might not have been a need to 'take back' that third.

Ironically, Conason (unintentionally I'd imagine) points out the danger in any predicted 'scenario.'  That danger should serve to raise grave doubts when considering BO's economic projections.  Those qualify, hands down, as the 'rosiest' of all time.

But facts are inconvenient for propaganda—especially when politicians and pundits are seeking to escape blame for policies that have failed.

I quite agree with this.  But it cuts both ways, and assumes it was nothing more than 'policies' that failed, and only those of the President in question.  Furthermore, his highly selective use of 'facts' doesn't help his argument much.

The rest of Conason's article is mostly smokescreen, part of the effort to keep us focused elsewhere, to keep meaningless fluff front & center, while the real objectives in health care, education & energy (none of which will do diddly squat for the recession and which may well undo any efforts to fix it) are pushed through.  BO really doesn't know or care that much about the economic situation - the 'economics' of community organizing are pretty much limited to 'How can we get more government money for this?'  He's leaving the economy to Pelosi, Reid & Geithner.  On Leno, he said again that Brownie's Geithner's doing a 'great job.'  So far, Olberman hasn't made much of the irony.

So even as critics roast President Obama and his treasury secretary, honesty requires that they acknowledge that the problems faced by Obama and Timothy Geithner are not of their making.

Honesty also requires acknowledging that they (I repeat) signed on for the job.  Time to dispense with the 'we inherited it' brush-off.

What's going to have the greatest and most long-lasting impact on us is his legislative agenda to massively expand the reach of the federal government, to infiltrate it into as many aspects of our daily lives as possible.  It's all about establishing centralized control of everything.  Let us pray that somebody actually reads that legislation.

Remember, it is a fact that, despite massive federal spending on education over the past 4 decades and the massive make-work project that is the Department of Education, our educational system has failed.  Failed the very people it was intended to help - our children.  BO's solution?  More of the same, even bigger government, with an ever bigger bureaucratic army to police it.  The Achilles heel of federal solutions is that there is never 'enough' - and never will be.  If we don't return real control of schools to local communities, no amount of federal money is going to cure that failure.  We're all crazy if we think it will.

on Mar 29, 2009

I don't blame him for everything. Just the most massive spending bill in the history of the world and the weakening of measures that have kept the US safe for the last 7 years, all done with his support, encouragement, and actions.

Maybe you need a new favorite site, because if this is the type of article (a site with "truth" in its name), which basically is an excuse piece for the president, then I would question what band "truth" they are pushing.

on Mar 29, 2009

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Artysim,

 

I do hope that this wasn’t a type n gripe and then you darted.  Reading most people’s posts they have not mentioned the fallacy with your statement about Reagan.  Please if you can either give me Joe Conason’s email or you can forward this to him.

 

Before I state anything further let me give you where I am getting my facts about the Down Jones Industrial Average (DJIA): http://stockcharts.com/charts/historical/djia1900.html

 

First, Mr. Conason statement about 1981/82 being a recession well take a look at that website.  If you look at the periods between 63/64 to 82/83 we were in what would be classified as a Bear market.  A Bear market is a period where the market is stagnate OR where it goes down.  This whole process is over a period of time.  If you take a look over the next 18 years after 1983 this is when we begin into a major ‘green hid’ Bull market.

 

Mr. Conason is incorrect with alluding to that Reagon was the cause of the recession FOR it was already going on.  On top of that, I haven’t SEEN ANYONE thank Dick Nixon for removing the dollar from being backed by gold. This was a horrible move, well Congress allowed this which will lead me to my next point.

 

I don’t have the time currently, but I do have a mild interest in researching who controlled Congress during the times when there was a bull/bear market.  We make it seem like the President is some how a dictator and gets what he wants.  For Bush ‘the dictator’, well he didn’t want Guantanamo closed and well before Obama came into power Guant was already in the process of releasing *please insert whatever term you feel necessary to describe these individuals* the individuals.

 

I hear all the time that it takes like 4 years for policies to affect the market.  Which this statement in of itself isn’t totally true.  Some economical policies do take time, but the majority has an impact on the market almost immediately.  An example of this is taxing businesses heavily (check out California for that one) which these taxes may not take place until the following year BUT most businesses will take the appropriate measures to adjust to this.  You can also see this with the minimum wage being increased for most business will take the appropriate measures for that one as well BEFORE it even takes affect.

 

Bush did have a mild majority of Republicans in Congress for the first 4 years of his Presidency.  I really don’t like it when one party controls everything, for this is not good when you only have one view point. Well, I don’t like our ‘2’ party system that we have much either for its just a disguise of a one party system. 

 

I don’t have time to comment any more on this article except to note that Carter was only in Office for 4 years.

on Mar 30, 2009

I really don’t like it when one party controls everything, for this is not good when you only have one view point

That's what I blame right now. 

on Mar 30, 2009

85% of Minions say President Obama is doing his best, but only 8% say he’s "doing great" in a recent poll on MinionMonitor.com  Therein lies the issue.  If we think he’s doing his best but his best just isn’t good enough, then either he’s failing or our expectations are off.

on Mar 30, 2009

If we think he’s doing his best but his best just isn’t good enough, then either he’s failing or our expectations are off.

He has not failed my expectations of him one bit. He is trying to push his agenda through under the cover of the "his new give him a change" window, that people like the Joe Conason are affording him. People just don't realize that many of these spending projects were shelved in the past due to cost, ineffectiveness, and partisan politics. It's using the current economic crisis to get everything the Democrats ever wanted while nobody has the power to stop them. Kind of like the photos we all saw of the Katrina "victims" carrying off big screen TV's. Remember when White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you didn't think you could do before". So they have been saying what they will do, it's just that most people haven't been listening to that part at all, celebrity meant more than policy.

on Mar 30, 2009

Kind of like the photos we all saw of the Katrina "victims" carrying off big screen TV's.

Nice visual of what they are trying to pull off.  Thanks for that.

on Mar 30, 2009

Quoting Arty:

As I've said earlier, many times, I was pro-Bush for the first year of his presidency until I realized what a tool he really was.

I know you're off gladhanding with Fidelistas, but there's at least a chance you'll be pro-Obama for an even shorter time - we know you are capable of changing your mind.

on Mar 30, 2009

Nice visual of what they are trying to pull off. Thanks for that.

My pleasure. Of course I wish it wasn't that way,I find that type of behavior revolting. 

BTW that must be why Arty didn't take his laptop. Either the "socially free" people of Cuba might liberate it or comrades in the government might seize it because it contains his personal propaganda.

on Mar 31, 2009

Daiwa, come on!

be nice to poor old Fidel. 

He's not feeling so well

which is confusing because according to Michael "the Blob" Moore Cuba has a better health care than we do.

Nitro Cruiser, let's think rationally here.  He didn't bring his laptop because he would be way way too tempted to trade it for Cuban Cigars.

And we all know that Dominicans can not properly roll Cubans nor can they properly roll crapes.

Give Arty some credit.  In such a social paradise why would you need a computer.  All that hunk of junk would do is slow you down from getting the appropiate high quality health care and cigar care that one needs!