Published on October 10, 2008 By Artysim In Politics

 

What's all this ruckus about voter registration and election fraud? I'm asking because in Canada, our elections are run a little differently from you fine folks in the U.S and quite frankly we don't go through the kind of ridiculousness I'm seeing in the news. In fact, we're having our own federal election on tuesday, the day after our thanksgiving and I can pretty much guarantee it's going to be a far milder event than the pomp and pageantry that CNN's been cooking up for your coming election.

Let me boil down how we do voter registration in Canada.

In a federal election, every single person in the country, who is registered to vote, gets a paper card in the mail. This card has your name and address on it and the location of where you go to vote, as well as your riding. Every one who is registered gets this one card, and can only use it at their designated station.

This is sent by a government organization called..... drumroll please.....

Elections Canada!!!

I know. Brilliant, isn't it?

This organization's purpose and goal is twofold:

1) To make sure that every single person in the country who's eligible to vote is registered, and knows where to go on election day.

2) To ensure that the election and ballotting and all the stuff is carried out in as impartial a manner as possible.

But what if you're not registered to vote?

Elections Canada sends out notices to every person in the country who they think is eligible but hasn't registered yet. They compile this list by going through

  • Provincial and Territorial motor vehicle registrars
  • Canada Revenue Agency (think IRS)
  • Citizenship and Immigration Canada
  • Provincial and Territorial vital statistics registrars
  • Proven electoral lists from other jurisdictions

An eligible voter is anyone who's over the age of 18 and a Canadian citizen. Pretty complicated huh?

And, of course you can register at the polling station on election day, but that does require you bring ID and something like a utility bill to proof your address.

Suffice it to say, Elections Canada tries pretty damn hard to get you registered, they actively go looking for you and if for some reason you've slipped through the cracks you're bound to catch one of the adds on TV, radio, or flyers passed out telling you how to register. Basically, you have to live under a rock and have no interest in politics to not be registered.

Even if you're homeless and not registered, you can still vote on election day provided an already registered voter vouches for you and the Officer in charge of the station gives it the okay.

Long story short: Elections Canada doesn't give two rips about what political party you might vote for, they just want to make sure you're going to be able to cast your f***#ng ballot.

There are no third party groups trying to flood the registrar with a bajillion names to be registered right before the election and there are no counter-third party advocacy groups screaming that those bajillion names are actually all frauds and terrorists.

Despite all this, are there attempts at election fraud? Sure there are, always will be. But with one national organization that has no political bias, with access to all the key sources of info a lot of that junk is minimized.

Now for part 2- the voting booth!!!!

Once you go to the voting station with your registered card, or, if you register cold turkey at the station on election day (provided you have right documentation) you're given a piece of paper.

No Diebold voting machines.

No hanging chads.

Just a piece of paper, probably with 5 names on it (maybe more or less depending on how many parties are running a person in your riding) and the political party next to each name.

With your pen....I think it was pen and not pencil the last time I voted.... you colour in/checkmark/scribble or make an X next to the name of the person you want to vote for. Then drop in the box.

I know, really complicated isn't it?

Who sets up and administers the voting stations?

Elections Canada!

Shocking, I know. And to boot, since one organization is setting up ALL of the voting stations across the country you have uniformity- everyone in the nation goes through pretty much the exact same thing, only with different names on the ballots depending on the riding.

Whichever political party wins the most seats becomes the government and the leader of that party becomes prime minister. Although, the prime minister has to win in his riding too, or else one of his party members will have to give up their seat which would be pretty embarassing right off the get-go.

So that's how it works up north. Now what's all this voter registration ruckus about down south???

 

 


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on Oct 10, 2008

Canada times 51.  basically each state makes its own rules.  And that is subject to a lot of politics (as we see with the ACORN ruckus).  So in some places, you have basically the same setup as Canada.  And you probably dont hear about them up there - after all, how many stories are you hearing?  5? 6?

But in some, in order to increase voting, they are trying to DRAG people into the process (they being the state initially).  So they try to make it easier to register.  In one case (Ohio), they allow you to register and vote on the same day - basically no questions asked.  In another case (florida), they have a lot of Winter residents (it does get cold up around you, n'est pas?), and they vote absentee in their "home" state, and then vote again in florida.

The fraud comes in by trying to make it so easy to register - that any one can multiple times.  And especially in Chicago, they do. (Or at least the dead do).

People often forget (and some would like to eliminate the fact) that this is The United STATES of America.  And in that, while the states do have a lot less autonomy than they did 200 years ago, they still enjoy a greater degree than most other countries "amalgamations".

Think of it this way.  If the UK Commonwealth had a binding legislature that all the members had to vote on, what would the process be like?  Probably very similar to the USA since the commonwealth is made up of many very autonomous members.  That do not all think alike, or vote alike. 

Dont think that many of us do not see the problems.  But dont think they are going to be fixed any time soon.  That is part of the "benefits" of living in the USA.

Besides, do you really want us to deprive the world of so much entertainment? After all, what other country's elections get covered to the degree ours do?  People dont tune into a boring show.

on Oct 10, 2008

Now what's all this voter registration ruckus about down south???

Its amazing how a country like this can so vehemently advocate to others the importance of fair elections and then turn around and both parties, or to be fair,maybe in some cases just individual zealots from such parties engage in just the opposite. My local township had dropped me from the roles a few months back because of a new law, however I was not a new registrant(which is what the law refers to) and have been giving them the same types of ID required annually when I pay my taxes. What is funny is that I have talked to friends about the issue and it seems that it is only the Independents like myself and some that are Democrats who got bumped. This crap is happening in small town America even which frankly is rather disgusting. I am probably safe in assuming that some Dems tried the same kind of trickery in places where they have a majority of their zealots registered.

The ACORN situation I find funny also. I don't know all the facts so I'll assume that it is individuals who were responsible for the dirty deed. If that is the case shame on ACORN for using the same transactional-based pay package that Wall St. uses because we know paying people based on transactions will often breed fraud.

on Oct 11, 2008

Canada times 51.

Did we add a new state or are you counting D.C. in there as well?

~Zoo

on Oct 11, 2008

The solution to all this is federal voter ID laws.  But unfortunately, democrats have blocked most attempts at this....wonder why?

on Oct 11, 2008

 

You mean a system such as

 

Who wouldn't be for that? Sounds like a great idea. Much easier to identify who should and who shouldn't vote, easier to spot fraud, appropriate at-site checks for those late in registering.

I would think those concerned about voter fraud would be for it as well as those who believe the Government should be in control of a great many things (Replublicans and Democrats).

on Oct 11, 2008

Artysim, there seems to be a big problem with people showing ID when they go to vote. Seems it'ss to difficult. You get a paper card here (in Virginia, Florida, and Pennsylvania anyway, I can't speak for the other states), it has the place where you are to vote on it. Now some groups oppose the person having showing some form of identification along with the voter card (that doesn't prove who you are, just that you have a card). Their argument is that it makes it hard for the old and poor people to obtain ID. Now most people have a drivers license and a state ID is even easier to get (other forms of ID may be available too). Funny these people don't have a problem with ID when they get state/federal benifits. The problem that comes up is if you can get a stack of voter cards and ID isn't required, what is to say you can get someone that voted at another location to vote again at a different voting location as long as that is the district were the card is from? Doesn't the voter share a little responsibility if they wish to vote (obtain an ID)? It's not too much to ask. But their are people fighting it, that would be the democrats.

Same day registration/voting is not very practical IMO either. It may work well in Canada because everyone is in the computer system (for health care and such). Here, it can take awhile to determine if someone is eligible to vote or not, for example non-citizens and felons cannot vote. My wife is a resident alien, but unless she shows her green card, nobody would know. She has a drivers license, social security card, etc. Pre-registration allows time for a background check, for felonies and at least to make sure the person lives in that voting district. Many would feel their privacy was violated if you added this information to ID such as a drivers license so it's not there  Do you know what party supports same day registration and voting?

For the largest political party in the US, and the one that's supposedly for the "little guy" why is there a need to resort to this type of thing?

To the voter - you have some responsibility in all this too. Register early, don't wait until last minute. If you missed your states deadline then now is a good time to register for the 2012 election. If your sincere about voting. ensure you have a ID, it's too easy too get, unless your trying to defraud the state. If you know or think you'll be away get an absentee ballot. I don't feel sorry for people that can't do the minimum required, you don't deserve to vote. I'm embassed too that we asked for clean elections abroad and can't do it right here.

on Oct 11, 2008

The solution to all this is federal voter ID laws. But unfortunately, democrats have blocked most attempts at this....wonder why?

Both parties are trying not only to steer it towards their benefit but also leaving loopholes in it that can be manipulated for their own benefit.

on Oct 13, 2008

Did we add a new state or are you counting D.C. in there as well?

DC since they do vote for President.

on Oct 13, 2008

DC since they do vote for President.

Humm, wonder which why they'll vote????

on Oct 13, 2008

Most corporations who own our politicians don't want people to make informed decisions, in fact the want americans to focus on things like britney spears. Most corporations don't want people to vote. America should have a system where every one is automatically registered at the age of eighteen like in other countries. Also, as Thomas Jefferson wanted there should be compulsory voting. Right now America has about 54% of the population voting, while places like Australia(95%), Malta(94%), and so the list goes with these countries rating higher than the US(countries ranked below are Switzerland and Poland); Austria, Belgium, Italy, Luxumberg, Iceland, New Zealand, Denmark, Germany, Sweeden, Greece, Venezuela, Czech Republic, Brazil, Netherlands, Costa Rica, Norway, Romania, Bulgaria, Isreal, Portugal, Finland, Canada, France, United Kingdom, South Korea, Ireland, Spain, Japan, Estonia, Hungary, Russia,  and India( my listing is in decending order, so Austria has 92% turn out, while Russia has 61% turn out). Not to mention all the voting fraud on both sides suppodely ACORN, Diebold, various laws. (In America, the chance a black person's vote won't be counted is 900% higher than white persons, Hispanic is 500% higher than a white voter, 2000% higher if your Native American. For example George Bush defeated Kerry by 5,900 votes in New Mexico not counting over 30,000 votes. 88% of those votes not counted were cast in minority precints. Minority's and Women making up the base of the democrat base. It gets disheartening for voters.)

on Oct 13, 2008

Canada times 51.

Isn't that 57... or 58?

on Oct 13, 2008


Canada times 51.
Isn't that 57... or 58?

 

how do you get that figure? puerto rico, guam, what other territories?

on Oct 13, 2008

how do you get that figure? puerto rico, guam, what other territories?

For awhile there, I thought you were actually paying some attention to this election campaign, Jack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

on Oct 14, 2008


how do you get that figure? puerto rico, guam, what other territories?
For awhile there, I thought you were actually paying some attention to this election campaign, Jack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

 

Oh man I completely forgot about. Thanks for the video, gave me a nice laugh. but wouldn't be 60? He said he visted 57 with one left to go and he wasn't allowed to vist Alaska and Hawaii!

on Oct 14, 2008

Canada times 51.

Isn't that 57... or 58?

Wait, you are counting different legislations? Or different population?

Because, if it's population, it's more like Canada times 10. If it's different legislation, it's Canada times 5.

And if you are counting the different territories, it's even less..

What is the problem with having a nation-wide standardization of voting process? I mean, different procedure for different state seems unfair to me.

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