Published on October 1, 2008 By Artysim In Politics

A letter from Michael Moore, on his website here-

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=237

Because, well, I think it's interesting, and I know he gets people's blood boiling on this site!!

neener neener,

Artysim

Friends,

The richest 400 Americans -- that's right, just four hundred people -- own MORE than the bottom 150 million Americans combined. 400 rich Americans have got more stashed away than half the entire country! Their combined net worth is $1.6 trillion. During the eight years of the Bush Administration, their wealth has increased by nearly $700 billion -- the same amount that they are now demanding we give to them for the "bailout." Why don't they just spend the money they made under Bush to bail themselves out? They'd still have nearly a trillion dollars left over to spread amongst themselves!

Of course, they are not going to do that -- at least not voluntarily. George W. Bush was handed a $127 billion surplus when Bill Clinton left office. Because that money was OUR money and not his, he did what the rich prefer to do -- spend it and never look back. Now we have a $9.5 trillion debt. Why on earth would we even think of giving these robber barons any more of our money?

I would like to propose my own bailout plan. My suggestions, listed below, are predicated on the singular and simple belief that the rich must pull themselves up by their own platinum bootstraps. Sorry, fellows, but you drilled it into our heads one too many times: There... is... no... free... lunch. And thank you for encouraging us to hate people on welfare! So, there will be no handouts from us to you. The Senate, tonight, is going to try to rush their version of a "bailout" bill to a vote. They must be stopped. We did it on Monday with the House, and we can do it again today with the Senate.

It is clear, though, that we cannot simply keep protesting without proposing exactly what it is we think Congress should do. So, after consulting with a number of people smarter than Phil Gramm, here is my proposal, now known as "Mike's Rescue Plan." It has 10 simple, straightforward points. They are:

1. APPOINT A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO CRIMINALLY INDICT ANYONE ON WALL STREET WHO KNOWINGLY CONTRIBUTED TO THIS COLLAPSE. Before any new money is expended, Congress must commit, by resolution, to criminally prosecute anyone who had anything to do with the attempted sacking of our economy. This means that anyone who committed insider trading, securities fraud or any action that helped bring about this collapse must go to jail. This Congress must call for a Special Prosecutor who will vigorously go after everyone who created the mess, and anyone else who attempts to scam the public in the future.

2. THE RICH MUST PAY FOR THEIR OWN BAILOUT. They may have to live in 5 houses instead of 7. They may have to drive 9 cars instead of 13. The chef for their mini-terriers may have to be reassigned. But there is no way in hell, after forcing family incomes to go down more than $2,000 dollars during the Bush years, that working people and the middle class are going to fork over one dime to underwrite the next yacht purchase.

If they truly need the $700 billion they say they need, well, here is an easy way they can raise it:

 

a) Every couple who makes over a million dollars a year and every single taxpayer who makes over $500,000 a year will pay a 10% surcharge tax for five years. (It's the Senator Sanders plan. He's like Colonel Sanders, only he's out to fry the right chickens.) That means the rich will still be paying less income tax than when Carter was president. This will raise a total of $300 billion.

Like nearly every other democracy, charge a 0.25% tax on every stock transaction. This will raise more than $200 billion in a year.

c) Because every stockholder is a patriotic American, stockholders will forgo receiving a dividend check for one quarter and instead this money will go the treasury to help pay for the bailout.

d) 25% of major U.S. corporations currently pay NO federal income tax. Federal corporate tax revenues currently amount to 1.7% of the GDP compared to 5% in the 1950s. If we raise the corporate income tax back to the level of the 1950s, that gives us an extra $500 billion.

 

All of this combined should be enough to end the calamity. The rich will get to keep their mansions and their servants, and our United States government ("COUNTRY FIRST!") will have a little leftover to repair some roads, bridges and schools.

3. BAIL OUT THE PEOPLE LOSING THEIR HOMES, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BUILD AN EIGHTH HOME. There are 1.3 million homes in foreclosure right now. That is what is at the heart of this problem. So instead of giving the money to the banks as a gift, pay down each of these mortgages by $100,000. Force the banks to renegotiate the mortgage so the homeowner can pay on its current value. To insure that this help does no go to speculators and those who have tried to make money by flipping houses, this bailout is only for people's primary residence. And in return for the $100K paydown on the existing mortgage, the government gets to share in the holding of the mortgage so that it can get some of its money back. Thus, the total initial cost of fixing the mortgage crisis at its roots (instead of with the greedy lenders) is $150 billion, not $700 billion.

And let's set the record straight. People who have defaulted on their mortgages are not "bad risks." They are our fellow Americans, and all they wanted was what we all want and most of us still get: a home to call their own. But during the Bush years, millions of them lost the decent paying jobs they had. Six million fell into poverty. Seven million lost their health insurance. And every one of them saw their real wages go down by $2,000. Those who dare to look down on these Americans who got hit with one bad break after another should be ashamed. We are a better, stronger, safer and happier society when all of our citizens can afford to live in a home that they own.

4. IF YOUR BANK OR COMPANY GETS ANY OF OUR MONEY IN A "BAILOUT," THEN WE OWN YOU. Sorry, that's how it's done. If the bank gives me money so I can buy a house, the bank "owns" that house until I pay it all back -- with interest. Same deal for Wall Street. Whatever money you need to stay afloat, if our government considers you a safe risk -- and necessary for the good of the country -- then you can get a loan, but we will own you. If you default, we will sell you. This is how the Swedish government did it and it worked.

5. ALL REGULATIONS MUST BE RESTORED. THE REAGAN REVOLUTION IS DEAD. This catastrophe happened because we let the fox have the keys to the henhouse. In 1999, Phil Gramm authored a bill to remove all the regulations that governed Wall Street and our banking system. The bill passed and Clinton signed it. Here's what Sen. Phil Gramm, McCain's chief economic advisor, said at the bill signing:

 

"In the 1930s ... it was believed that government was the answer. It was believed that stability and growth came from government overriding the functioning of free markets.

"We are here today to repeal [that] because we have learned that government is not the answer. We have learned that freedom and competition are the answers. We have learned that we promote economic growth and we promote stability by having competition and freedom.

"I am proud to be here because this is an important bill; it is a deregulatory bill. I believe that that is the wave of the future, and I am awfully proud to have been a part of making it a reality."

 

This bill must be repealed. Bill Clinton can help by leading the effort for the repeal of the Gramm bill and the reinstating of even tougher regulations regarding our financial institutions. And when they're done with that, they can restore the regulations for the airlines, the inspection of our food, the oil industry, OSHA, and every other entity that affects our daily lives. All oversight provisions for any "bailout" must have enforcement monies attached to them and criminal penalties for all offenders.

6. IF IT'S TOO BIG TO FAIL, THEN THAT MEANS IT'S TOO BIG TO EXIST. Allowing the creation of these mega-mergers and not enforcing the monopoly and anti-trust laws has allowed a number of financial institutions and corporations to become so large, the very thought of their collapse means an even bigger collapse across the entire economy. No one or two companies should have this kind of power. The so-called "economic Pearl Harbor" can't happen when you have hundreds -- thousands -- of institutions where people have their money. When you have a dozen auto companies, if one goes belly-up, we don't face a national disaster. If you have three separately-owned daily newspapers in your town, then one media company can't call all the shots (I know... What am I thinking?! Who reads a paper anymore? Sure glad all those mergers and buyouts left us with a strong and free press!). Laws must be enacted to prevent companies from being so large and dominant that with one slingshot to the eye, the giant falls and dies. And no institution should be allowed to set up money schemes that no one can understand. If you can't explain it in two sentences, you shouldn't be taking anyone's money.

7. NO EXECUTIVE SHOULD BE PAID MORE THAN 40 TIMES THEIR AVERAGE EMPLOYEE, AND NO EXECUTIVE SHOULD RECEIVE ANY KIND OF "PARACHUTE" OTHER THAN THE VERY GENEROUS SALARY HE OR SHE MADE WHILE WORKING FOR THE COMPANY. In 1980, the average American CEO made 45 times what their employees made. By 2003, they were making 254 times what their workers made. After 8 years of Bush, they now make over 400 times what their average employee makes. How this can happen at publicly held companies is beyond reason. In Britain, the average CEO makes 28 times what their average employee makes. In Japan, it's only 17 times! The last I heard, the CEO of Toyota was living the high life in Tokyo. How does he do it on so little money? Seriously, this is an outrage. We have created the mess we're in by letting the people at the top become bloated beyond belief with millions of dollars. This has to stop. Not only should no executive who receives help out of this mess profit from it, but any executive who was in charge of running his company into the ground should be fired before the company receives any help.

8. STRENGTHEN THE FDIC AND MAKE IT A MODEL FOR PROTECTING NOT ONLY PEOPLE'S SAVINGS, BUT ALSO THEIR PENSIONS AND THEIR HOMES. Obama was correct yesterday to propose expanding FDIC protection of people's savings in their banks to $250,000. But this same sort of government insurance must be given to our nation's pension funds. People should never have to worry about whether or not the money they've put away for their old age will be there. This will mean strict government oversight of companies who manage their employees' funds -- or perhaps it means that the companies will have to turn over those funds and their management to the government. People's private retirement funds must also be protected, but perhaps it's time to consider not having one's retirement invested in the casino known as the stock market. Our government should have a solemn duty to guarantee that no one who grows old in this country has to worry about ending up destitute.

9. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH, CALM DOWN, AND NOT LET FEAR RULE THE DAY. Turn off the TV! We are not in the Second Great Depression. The sky is not falling. Pundits and politicians are lying to us so fast and furious it's hard not to be affected by all the fear mongering. Even I, yesterday, wrote to you and repeated what I heard on the news, that the Dow had the biggest one day drop in its history. Well, that's true in terms of points, but its 7% drop came nowhere close to Black Monday in 1987 when the stock market in one day lost 23% of its value. In the '80s, 3,000 banks closed, but America didn't go out of business. These institutions have always had their ups and downs and eventually it works out. It has to, because the rich do not like their wealth being disrupted! They have a vested interest in calming things down and getting back into the Jacuzzi.

As crazy as things are right now, tens of thousands of people got a car loan this week. Thousands went to the bank and got a mortgage to buy a home. Students just back to college found banks more than happy to put them into hock for the next 15 years with a student loan. Life has gone on. Not a single person has lost any of their money if it's in a bank or a treasury note or a CD. And the most amazing thing is that the American public hasn't bought the scare campaign. The citizens didn't blink, and instead told Congress to take that bailout and shove it. THAT was impressive. Why didn't the population succumb to the fright-filled warnings from their president and his cronies? Well, you can only say 'Saddam has da bomb' so many times before the people realize you're a lying sack of shite. After eight long years, the nation is worn out and simply can't take it any longer.

10. CREATE A NATIONAL BANK, A "PEOPLE'S BANK." If we really are itching to print up a trillion dollars, instead of giving it to a few rich people, why don't we give it to ourselves? Now that we own Freddie and Fannie, why not set up a people's bank? One that can provide low-interest loans for all sorts of people who want to own a home, start a small business, go to school, come up with the cure for cancer or create the next great invention. And now that we own AIG, the country's largest insurance company, let's take the next step and provide health insurance for everyone. Medicare for all. It will save us so much money in the long run. And we won't be 12th on the life expectancy list. We'll be able to have a longer life, enjoying our government-protected pension, and living to see the day when the corporate criminals who caused so much misery are let out of prison so that we can help reacclimate them to civilian life -- a life with one nice home and a gas-free car that was invented with help from the People's Bank.

Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com


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on Oct 04, 2008

Can't speak for him, but I think he meant the other 299,999,600 people

Then don't try to speak for him. Let him continue to backpeddle out of his own statements. It is obvious that  he has finally gone beyond FOX and rightwing blogsites to look for information which is always a good thing.

MM is a fierce class warrior, no doubt.

No doubt in my mind either. But looking at what is being said by the far left as well as the far right can be helpful to find where problems start and how they can be solved....which is often somewhere in the middle.

on Oct 04, 2008

bigot-is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different ethnicity, race, or class.

 

I'm guessing 'class' would also include the 'rich' as well as the 'poor'. It's a pity there is so much tolerance for bigotry against the 'rich'.

Here's an alternate idea. Let's ask the 'poor' to work an additional (additional in the case of those that do work) 20 hours a week for the Federal Government for no wages; their wages will go towards the 'bailout'. After all, it's for 'the good of the country'.

There shouldn't be any reason to prefer one class of citizens over another in terms of asking to bail America out ... should there?

on Oct 04, 2008

There shouldn't be any reason to prefer one class of citizens over another in terms of asking to bail America out ... should there?

Youre right there shouldn't be. But take a look through all the posts in this thread. Do you see anyone who actually supports Moore's plan?

He's a provocative  businessman in the media industry and should be taken as such. He is no different from Randy Rhodes, Rush Limbaugh, Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity, etc. except in the fact that he uses movies as one of the main media types he uses to make money.

on Oct 04, 2008

Do you see anyone who actually supports Moore's plan?

 

In this thread, no.

But that is the basic premise of both the progressive tax structure and MM's plan. Choose one 'class' of citizen and apply different criteria in respect to what percentage or amount of their personal property (money) is owed to the Federal Government without regard to individual circumstance ... effectively making assumptions and judgments based on class.

I'm not going to bring up the professed hatred for the 'rich' that, not only exists, but is in part condoned if not promoted by some people.

on Oct 04, 2008

Wealth is wealth accumulated and compounded o ver thousands of years. Moore should be saying that it is essential for the common good that investments should be targeted where it matters most, a real give and take in capital/labor partnership.  

on Oct 04, 2008

If I point out that the ultimate source of the credit crisis are NOT the top 400 but more commonly the poor who bought houses they couldn't afford

The ultimate source of the credit crisis is US foreign debt and trade imbalances that keep growing that debt. We were relying on foreign investment to fuel our economy and some boys on Wall St. cheated them. Now the foreign investors are ramming those bad investments back down our throats. If we were not relying on foreign investment to feed the housing bubble, if Wall. Street was not creating derivatives that were meant to hide value and risk, and certain corporate entities involved were not cooking their books then the housing bubble would not have occured. If a housing bubble never occured we probably would have had a credit crisis prior to now unless we had taken investment money and used it in ways that would lower the trade imbalance and foreign debt.

 

 

on Oct 04, 2008

But that is the basic premise of both the progressive tax structure and MM's plan

Moore's plan in no way reflects a progressive tax plan nor are they based on the same premise. It is a piece of media meant to to boost website visits in order to boost the bottom line.

on Oct 04, 2008

I see plenty wrong with the bill and plenty wrong with the fact that the taxpayer gets stuck with the bill. However I've done plenty of research on financial crashes and realize how important it is to recapitalize the banks. Maybe you should do the same. I would suggest googling nouriel roubini, the Japanese financial crisis, and open crs for starters. On the Open CRS site there are currently some documents that help to explain what options the US has using comparisons to the crises that have occured in other nations. Japans crisis is the best thing to look at since what it happening to us is similar in several respects.

Where did I say I was against the bailout bill? I am in favor of it. Been in favor of it. 

Did you read the article we're responding to? I.e. the article Michael Moore wrote? THAT is what my responses are targeting, not the bailout bill.

No it is based on a lot of research from several sources. including info from HUD, OFHEO, financial news sites, congressional research reports, economists,etc.....Not FOX.

That's nice. None of my information has come from FOX.  

I asked you earlier to put up your credentials to explain how you think you have a spot to be so haughty about your positions.  You say it's none of my business.  It's certainly not, but let me put it like this - I own this site. My patience with people personally insulting me is limited but I'm willing to bend a bit on that if the person doing the insulting has some background.    For instance, I'll take crap from Artysim because he knows his stuff.  I may never agree with his analysis but he knows what he speaks of.  You, on the other hand, come across as just another left-winger who thinks his opinions are facts and that eveyrone who disagrees with him is ignorant or evil. You would do yourself a favor by sticking to debating/arguing the issue and not personlaly attacking me.

Besides my own considerable experience in managing millions in assets, I also got, as I mentioned personal and detailed updates from Merril Lynch and Comerica.  I also keep up with the details via the net like anyone else has.

And yes, the root cause of this issue is stupid POOOOORRRRR people who bought houses they couldn't afford. That's becuase most POOOOR people are stupid.  

It's not bigoted to point out that poor people tend to be stupid. It's well documented that there's a correlation between being long-term poor and having a low IQ.

Sure, middle class people and beyond have helped snowball the effect but the root cause are stupid poor people.

What should be obvious in the context of this article is that the top 400 people are unlikely to have contributed to this collapse. 

 

 

on Oct 04, 2008

To even think that the poor somehow have the ability to cause the near collapse of the U.S. financial system is ludicrous.

What cave you been hanging out in?  What do you think the subprime mortage crisis is about?

on Oct 04, 2008

Where did I say I was against the bailout bill? I am in favor of it. Been in favor of it.

Didn't say you were. Was just pointing out where some good information from economists can be found.

That's nice. None of my information has come from FOX.

None? You have your own thread here about the crisis that starts off with a link to a FOX video.

 

What cave you been hanging out in? What do you think the subprime mortage crisis is about?

It's all a matter of whether you think the root cause is the lack of education of some or the dishonest practices of others.

Personally I think it is greed. Greedy lenders,borrowers,investors,mortgage brokers, ceo's,politicians, etc.

 

You, on the other hand, come across as just another left-winger

Why is that? Because I disagree with you?

 

on Oct 05, 2008

the root cause of this issue is stupid POOOOORRRRR people who bought houses they couldn't afford

There are two sides to most stories though - in this case while the poor were clearly culpable in taking on loans they couldn't afford, so to were the lenders for lending so irresponsibly. It's harder to attach the stupid tag to them of course - the employees would have simply been acting in their best interests or on the managements instructions, thanks to the contracts encouraging excessive risk taking. However you could draw a tenuous link between the richest people and the collapse; the richest people are likely to have a high amount of wealth invested in shares. Some of this in turn is likely to have been with these financial institutions. Hence as shareholders they should have thought through the implications of encouraging a company to seek excessive risk and short term gains at the expense of long term ones.

Furthermore, at least some of those "stupid" poor are likely to have been deceived by the lenders into taking loans they thought they could afford but which in reality they couldn't. Finally if you deem the poor to be stupid, then surely the blame should rest more with the lenders who lent to them, since while you wouldn't expect any better of the stupid, the lenders should have known better!

on Oct 05, 2008

It's all a matter of whether you think the root cause is the lack of education of some or the dishonest practices of others.

Hey, when you just came in America, or just got out of jail, when you have trouble paying back your credit cards, you should know better than take a 400 000$-house.

But then, the mortgage company should have known better than give a 400 000$-mortgage on that house.. darn.

Credit companies are just... badly managed. Seriously, they are over-aggressive. People who just got out of bankruptcy gets credit proposal right away, peoples who are publicly in debt with the U.S. gov for millions get proposed credit card! All of these practices are just ludicrous. After all that, we wonder why North America's citizens are in large debt?

on Oct 05, 2008

A bit off topic here, but since the article concerns Michael Moore.... I went to see "An American Carol" yesterday. The movie was so so (You'll enjoy it if you liked Kentucky Fried Movie, Airplane, and the Naked Gun movies), I really enjoyed Kevin Farley as "Michael Malone". He had Moore down pat. I truly miss his brother (Chris), what a tragic waste, but I think Kevin can fill shoes with some good roles. This film was a good start for him.

Ok, back to the slug-fest.

on Oct 05, 2008

However you could draw a tenuous link between the richest people and the collapse; the richest people are likely to have a high amount of wealth invested in shares.

You really can't though. If you look at the forbes 400 list you will see a lot of people who have gotten their wealth from businesses they created themselves. Much of their wealth is derived from stock holdings of their own corporations many of which have created wealth and jobs for others. There are only a few on the list that you can link with the shennanigans that happened on Wall.St. For example certain hedge fund owners or others who owned/ran companies related to the crisis that were cooking their books. I suspect a vast majority of the people who really have their hands dirty in this mess are not on that list. In any case most anyone who invests has/had exposure to some of the companies or securities related to the crisis. I had to go through my whole portfolio about 2 years ago to see what I had for exposure. The mbs's for example are stuffed all over the place in mutual funds, money market funds, etc. Same with the stocks of various companies involved.

Furthermore, at least some of those "stupid" poor are likely to have been deceived by the lenders into taking loans they thought they could afford but which in reality they couldn't.

Over 60% of the subprime mortgages were made to people who qualified for prime rate mortgages. I suspect many of these people were deceived. Hard to say how many of them were since I suspect many were also doing it to flip investment properties and may have figured a teaser rate would net them more profit. Greed. In any case many of the mortgage brokers knew they were screwing people because they were making all kinds of loans with teaser rates, nodoc, and ninja at a time when interest rates were extremely low and had no place to go but up.

Its really wide spread though. Look at IndyMac Bank which went under. They were dealing with ALT-A loans so the problem goes much deeper than just subprime. And now we are at point where there are more prime rate loans defaulting and going into foreclosure than subprime loans.

The total scam is huge though when you add in CDS. Many were used to insure against losses due to home foreclosures however the market allows people to use these types of contracts even if they don't hold the assets for which they insure. So a default can trigger huge payments that far outweigh the value of the underlying assets that are insured. This is what caused AIG to get bailed out. As foreclosure rates grew, since they have a subsidiary that deals in the CDS market they not only incurred losses but they were quickly losing their ability to get loans.

on Oct 06, 2008

"An American Carol"

Want to watch...

 

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