Published on October 1, 2008 By Artysim In Politics

A letter from Michael Moore, on his website here-

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=237

Because, well, I think it's interesting, and I know he gets people's blood boiling on this site!!

neener neener,

Artysim

Friends,

The richest 400 Americans -- that's right, just four hundred people -- own MORE than the bottom 150 million Americans combined. 400 rich Americans have got more stashed away than half the entire country! Their combined net worth is $1.6 trillion. During the eight years of the Bush Administration, their wealth has increased by nearly $700 billion -- the same amount that they are now demanding we give to them for the "bailout." Why don't they just spend the money they made under Bush to bail themselves out? They'd still have nearly a trillion dollars left over to spread amongst themselves!

Of course, they are not going to do that -- at least not voluntarily. George W. Bush was handed a $127 billion surplus when Bill Clinton left office. Because that money was OUR money and not his, he did what the rich prefer to do -- spend it and never look back. Now we have a $9.5 trillion debt. Why on earth would we even think of giving these robber barons any more of our money?

I would like to propose my own bailout plan. My suggestions, listed below, are predicated on the singular and simple belief that the rich must pull themselves up by their own platinum bootstraps. Sorry, fellows, but you drilled it into our heads one too many times: There... is... no... free... lunch. And thank you for encouraging us to hate people on welfare! So, there will be no handouts from us to you. The Senate, tonight, is going to try to rush their version of a "bailout" bill to a vote. They must be stopped. We did it on Monday with the House, and we can do it again today with the Senate.

It is clear, though, that we cannot simply keep protesting without proposing exactly what it is we think Congress should do. So, after consulting with a number of people smarter than Phil Gramm, here is my proposal, now known as "Mike's Rescue Plan." It has 10 simple, straightforward points. They are:

1. APPOINT A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO CRIMINALLY INDICT ANYONE ON WALL STREET WHO KNOWINGLY CONTRIBUTED TO THIS COLLAPSE. Before any new money is expended, Congress must commit, by resolution, to criminally prosecute anyone who had anything to do with the attempted sacking of our economy. This means that anyone who committed insider trading, securities fraud or any action that helped bring about this collapse must go to jail. This Congress must call for a Special Prosecutor who will vigorously go after everyone who created the mess, and anyone else who attempts to scam the public in the future.

2. THE RICH MUST PAY FOR THEIR OWN BAILOUT. They may have to live in 5 houses instead of 7. They may have to drive 9 cars instead of 13. The chef for their mini-terriers may have to be reassigned. But there is no way in hell, after forcing family incomes to go down more than $2,000 dollars during the Bush years, that working people and the middle class are going to fork over one dime to underwrite the next yacht purchase.

If they truly need the $700 billion they say they need, well, here is an easy way they can raise it:

 

a) Every couple who makes over a million dollars a year and every single taxpayer who makes over $500,000 a year will pay a 10% surcharge tax for five years. (It's the Senator Sanders plan. He's like Colonel Sanders, only he's out to fry the right chickens.) That means the rich will still be paying less income tax than when Carter was president. This will raise a total of $300 billion.

Like nearly every other democracy, charge a 0.25% tax on every stock transaction. This will raise more than $200 billion in a year.

c) Because every stockholder is a patriotic American, stockholders will forgo receiving a dividend check for one quarter and instead this money will go the treasury to help pay for the bailout.

d) 25% of major U.S. corporations currently pay NO federal income tax. Federal corporate tax revenues currently amount to 1.7% of the GDP compared to 5% in the 1950s. If we raise the corporate income tax back to the level of the 1950s, that gives us an extra $500 billion.

 

All of this combined should be enough to end the calamity. The rich will get to keep their mansions and their servants, and our United States government ("COUNTRY FIRST!") will have a little leftover to repair some roads, bridges and schools.

3. BAIL OUT THE PEOPLE LOSING THEIR HOMES, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BUILD AN EIGHTH HOME. There are 1.3 million homes in foreclosure right now. That is what is at the heart of this problem. So instead of giving the money to the banks as a gift, pay down each of these mortgages by $100,000. Force the banks to renegotiate the mortgage so the homeowner can pay on its current value. To insure that this help does no go to speculators and those who have tried to make money by flipping houses, this bailout is only for people's primary residence. And in return for the $100K paydown on the existing mortgage, the government gets to share in the holding of the mortgage so that it can get some of its money back. Thus, the total initial cost of fixing the mortgage crisis at its roots (instead of with the greedy lenders) is $150 billion, not $700 billion.

And let's set the record straight. People who have defaulted on their mortgages are not "bad risks." They are our fellow Americans, and all they wanted was what we all want and most of us still get: a home to call their own. But during the Bush years, millions of them lost the decent paying jobs they had. Six million fell into poverty. Seven million lost their health insurance. And every one of them saw their real wages go down by $2,000. Those who dare to look down on these Americans who got hit with one bad break after another should be ashamed. We are a better, stronger, safer and happier society when all of our citizens can afford to live in a home that they own.

4. IF YOUR BANK OR COMPANY GETS ANY OF OUR MONEY IN A "BAILOUT," THEN WE OWN YOU. Sorry, that's how it's done. If the bank gives me money so I can buy a house, the bank "owns" that house until I pay it all back -- with interest. Same deal for Wall Street. Whatever money you need to stay afloat, if our government considers you a safe risk -- and necessary for the good of the country -- then you can get a loan, but we will own you. If you default, we will sell you. This is how the Swedish government did it and it worked.

5. ALL REGULATIONS MUST BE RESTORED. THE REAGAN REVOLUTION IS DEAD. This catastrophe happened because we let the fox have the keys to the henhouse. In 1999, Phil Gramm authored a bill to remove all the regulations that governed Wall Street and our banking system. The bill passed and Clinton signed it. Here's what Sen. Phil Gramm, McCain's chief economic advisor, said at the bill signing:

 

"In the 1930s ... it was believed that government was the answer. It was believed that stability and growth came from government overriding the functioning of free markets.

"We are here today to repeal [that] because we have learned that government is not the answer. We have learned that freedom and competition are the answers. We have learned that we promote economic growth and we promote stability by having competition and freedom.

"I am proud to be here because this is an important bill; it is a deregulatory bill. I believe that that is the wave of the future, and I am awfully proud to have been a part of making it a reality."

 

This bill must be repealed. Bill Clinton can help by leading the effort for the repeal of the Gramm bill and the reinstating of even tougher regulations regarding our financial institutions. And when they're done with that, they can restore the regulations for the airlines, the inspection of our food, the oil industry, OSHA, and every other entity that affects our daily lives. All oversight provisions for any "bailout" must have enforcement monies attached to them and criminal penalties for all offenders.

6. IF IT'S TOO BIG TO FAIL, THEN THAT MEANS IT'S TOO BIG TO EXIST. Allowing the creation of these mega-mergers and not enforcing the monopoly and anti-trust laws has allowed a number of financial institutions and corporations to become so large, the very thought of their collapse means an even bigger collapse across the entire economy. No one or two companies should have this kind of power. The so-called "economic Pearl Harbor" can't happen when you have hundreds -- thousands -- of institutions where people have their money. When you have a dozen auto companies, if one goes belly-up, we don't face a national disaster. If you have three separately-owned daily newspapers in your town, then one media company can't call all the shots (I know... What am I thinking?! Who reads a paper anymore? Sure glad all those mergers and buyouts left us with a strong and free press!). Laws must be enacted to prevent companies from being so large and dominant that with one slingshot to the eye, the giant falls and dies. And no institution should be allowed to set up money schemes that no one can understand. If you can't explain it in two sentences, you shouldn't be taking anyone's money.

7. NO EXECUTIVE SHOULD BE PAID MORE THAN 40 TIMES THEIR AVERAGE EMPLOYEE, AND NO EXECUTIVE SHOULD RECEIVE ANY KIND OF "PARACHUTE" OTHER THAN THE VERY GENEROUS SALARY HE OR SHE MADE WHILE WORKING FOR THE COMPANY. In 1980, the average American CEO made 45 times what their employees made. By 2003, they were making 254 times what their workers made. After 8 years of Bush, they now make over 400 times what their average employee makes. How this can happen at publicly held companies is beyond reason. In Britain, the average CEO makes 28 times what their average employee makes. In Japan, it's only 17 times! The last I heard, the CEO of Toyota was living the high life in Tokyo. How does he do it on so little money? Seriously, this is an outrage. We have created the mess we're in by letting the people at the top become bloated beyond belief with millions of dollars. This has to stop. Not only should no executive who receives help out of this mess profit from it, but any executive who was in charge of running his company into the ground should be fired before the company receives any help.

8. STRENGTHEN THE FDIC AND MAKE IT A MODEL FOR PROTECTING NOT ONLY PEOPLE'S SAVINGS, BUT ALSO THEIR PENSIONS AND THEIR HOMES. Obama was correct yesterday to propose expanding FDIC protection of people's savings in their banks to $250,000. But this same sort of government insurance must be given to our nation's pension funds. People should never have to worry about whether or not the money they've put away for their old age will be there. This will mean strict government oversight of companies who manage their employees' funds -- or perhaps it means that the companies will have to turn over those funds and their management to the government. People's private retirement funds must also be protected, but perhaps it's time to consider not having one's retirement invested in the casino known as the stock market. Our government should have a solemn duty to guarantee that no one who grows old in this country has to worry about ending up destitute.

9. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH, CALM DOWN, AND NOT LET FEAR RULE THE DAY. Turn off the TV! We are not in the Second Great Depression. The sky is not falling. Pundits and politicians are lying to us so fast and furious it's hard not to be affected by all the fear mongering. Even I, yesterday, wrote to you and repeated what I heard on the news, that the Dow had the biggest one day drop in its history. Well, that's true in terms of points, but its 7% drop came nowhere close to Black Monday in 1987 when the stock market in one day lost 23% of its value. In the '80s, 3,000 banks closed, but America didn't go out of business. These institutions have always had their ups and downs and eventually it works out. It has to, because the rich do not like their wealth being disrupted! They have a vested interest in calming things down and getting back into the Jacuzzi.

As crazy as things are right now, tens of thousands of people got a car loan this week. Thousands went to the bank and got a mortgage to buy a home. Students just back to college found banks more than happy to put them into hock for the next 15 years with a student loan. Life has gone on. Not a single person has lost any of their money if it's in a bank or a treasury note or a CD. And the most amazing thing is that the American public hasn't bought the scare campaign. The citizens didn't blink, and instead told Congress to take that bailout and shove it. THAT was impressive. Why didn't the population succumb to the fright-filled warnings from their president and his cronies? Well, you can only say 'Saddam has da bomb' so many times before the people realize you're a lying sack of shite. After eight long years, the nation is worn out and simply can't take it any longer.

10. CREATE A NATIONAL BANK, A "PEOPLE'S BANK." If we really are itching to print up a trillion dollars, instead of giving it to a few rich people, why don't we give it to ourselves? Now that we own Freddie and Fannie, why not set up a people's bank? One that can provide low-interest loans for all sorts of people who want to own a home, start a small business, go to school, come up with the cure for cancer or create the next great invention. And now that we own AIG, the country's largest insurance company, let's take the next step and provide health insurance for everyone. Medicare for all. It will save us so much money in the long run. And we won't be 12th on the life expectancy list. We'll be able to have a longer life, enjoying our government-protected pension, and living to see the day when the corporate criminals who caused so much misery are let out of prison so that we can help reacclimate them to civilian life -- a life with one nice home and a gas-free car that was invented with help from the People's Bank.

Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com


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on Oct 02, 2008

Just because some of OUR loonies put him as "the Rebel of America" means that all the country is the same.

Did you intend to write:  "does not mean that all the country..."?

BTW:  I never said Canada was stupid, just that we have to blame them for everything!

on Oct 02, 2008

Wait back up, remember this fellow's been laid off right? What if he gets a hernia? What if he cracks a tooth on a kernel of popcorn or slices his hand badly while cutting a tomato?
So, let's say a fellow who worked at Citigroup, (who's laid off thousands in the last year) or Ford, or GM, or was a real estate broker (they've been hard hit too) or any other number of reputable, well-appointed occupations was laid off

And your point?  Let me see if I can arrive at it succintly.

People live.  Life is not fair.  So SOMEBODY has to cover for any un- or foreseeable calamity or stupid decision I make because I said so. 

Yea, that is about it.  So where do we send the diapers to?  Nap time at 3.               

on Oct 02, 2008

A last thought.  Mickey Moron may not be in the 400 (and I suspect he is 401 for his diatribe), but before I listen to word one of his, I would EXPECT him to give all his money to these people.  ALL of it. so the other 399+ people can then add him to their dependant list.

Oh?  He has not given dime one? 

Mikey Moron: "Yes child, do as I say, not as I do."

on Oct 02, 2008

Do you know that most of this 700 billion bailout won't even go into your own economy? Most of it will go to foreign banks and funds that have ALREADY bailed out the banks months ago and are threatening to stop the purchase of U.S debt if their investment isn't protected. So, you're going to spend hundreds of billions that you don't have

Thats it in a nutshell.  Unfortunatly its hard to explain that to people who haven't the slightest idea of what has been going on.

 

on Oct 02, 2008

And your point? Let me see if I can arrive at it succintly. People live. Life is not fair. So SOMEBODY has to cover for any un- or foreseeable calamity or stupid decision I make because I said so

Actually, no, that wasn't my point nor do I subscribe to that belief. I was countering the assertion that all these people who are "dead beat poor people" who have foreclosed on properties aren't necessarily so, that many of them are hard-working decent people who have fallen on hard times for any number of valid reasons!

 

on Oct 02, 2008

LOL Artysim, you picked the worse case scenario and basically applied it to every American currently in foreclosure. Now that is funny. So none of those people missed college, had crappy jobs, maybe 2, did not pay their bills on time and probably never had insurance in the first place? Wow, just wow.

on Oct 02, 2008

There is more inteligent thought in a mule's fart than anything Moore has ever said.

on Oct 02, 2008

LOL Artysim, you picked the worse case scenario and basically applied it to every American currently in foreclosure

Actually Artisym was responding to Brad  stating:

The collapse occurred because of dead beat poor people who took out mortgages they couldn't afford

Pretty sad when you hear this from a business owner. Makes me wonder if he is just playing the dishonest political rhetoric game or whether he is that ignorant of the situation. I guess I'll take him at his word making him ignorant as opposed to dishonest.

on Oct 02, 2008

Moore really likes these kinds of lists, doesn't he?  He always goes way too far and talks a lot of nonsense.  I'm one liberal who really never liked the guy that much.  He's a good filmmaker, but besides that, his personality is a bit extreme.  I've seen many great reactions while reading through the replies.  Everything from agreeing with parts of his ideas to just not caring one bit, but there is one point that is important to be made here I think:  We all are going to have to do our part to end this situation and try to make sure mistakes like this don't happen in the future.  Rich and poor alike are going to have to put forth some of their resources with a government bailout plan.  I don't think there should be special consideration based on class/social status.  It's an issue for our nation to deal with.  We can all rise up for action at the present time.

on Oct 02, 2008

persuasively articulated artysim. merci

on Oct 02, 2008

Smoothseas


LOL Artysim, you picked the worse case scenario and basically applied it to every American currently in foreclosure
Actually Artisym was responding to Brad  stating:
The collapse occurred because of dead beat poor people who took out mortgages they couldn't afford
Pretty sad when you hear this from a business owner. Makes me wonder if he is just playing the dishonest political rhetoric game or whether he is that ignorant of the situation. I guess I'll take him at his word making him ignorant as opposed to dishonest.

Yea, the rich business man who follows this stuff closely is ignorant but the left wing arm chair zealot is so much better informed.

The collapse ultimately starts with people not paying their debts. Who were these people? The people who bought houses they couldn't afford who then defaulted on their debts when their ARM rate went up but the value on their home went down.

The banks aren't innocent in this either. They were predators. But the $700 billion being discussed is being proposed to buy this bad paper -- the foreclosed assets -- from the banks.

I don't know why left-wingers are so quick to throw the word ignorant when they should know better.  Smoothseas, if you want to call me ignorant, show your credentials. What is it you do for a living that could conceivably demonstrate that you are more familiar with this crisis than I.

For instance, did you have a major financial institution personally visit you and brief you on the details of the crisis (as I have?)  Do you manage any portoflios greater than say $10 million like I do? 

Let's look at Art's explanation to really get a good idea of just how little he seems to understand:

No, this collapse came because the banks took those mortgages and used turned them into "exotic debt instruments" that they then bought and sold on the market.

They took debt and magically turned it into profit, similar to what Enron did. In short, they lied.

The current collapse that we're seeing right now has FAR more to do with monkey business in the CDS market (credit default swaps) than it does with

"dead beat poor people who took out mortgages they couldn't afford"

The banks MASSIVELY over-leveraged their debts as collateral that they used to essentially create fake money that they invested in the market. This goes far beyond the simple to understand "lazy poor people!" excuse and into the machinery of the marketplace, and how it was twisted to create billions in profit in a very short amount of time for a very small amount of people, at the expense of everyone else.

Regurgitating left-wing talking points just looks pathetic.

What exactly do you think an "exotic debt instrument" is? Do you even know or were you quoting from some other left-wing site that didn't know what it is either?

Here's an example of an exocit debt instrument:

Someone buying a house with an interest-only ARM.  

I really like how you like to white wash the root issue here.

You blame CDS's while ignoring the fact that someone had to default in the first place for it to come into being.

Banks took debt and turned it into profit on their books. No kidding. But that still isn't the cause of the collapse. It's that they have all these assets that they can't liquidate at any price.

I don't expect left-wingers to understand basic economics but I'll try anyway:

Artisym is a bank who loans Smoothseas $1,000 to buy a piece of property.

One day, for whatever reason, Smoothseas can't afford to keep paying off his loan and defaults.

Artisym takes possession of the property but is still out the $1,000. Normally, Artisym would just sell that property to someone else and pocket the $1,000 (plus the partial payments from Smoothseas) and make a profit.

This was the scam that the banks were running against the poor. Predatory lending. They expected lots of these poor people default because statistically, people who are poor are poor because they're stupid with money. 

But the scheme fell apart because what happened is that Smoothseas defaults on his property, ARtisym takes posession but there are no buyers for the property because the property value has declined so much.  In addition, Smoothseas and millions like him also defaulted causing a huge glut of foreclosed properties with few buyers.

On Artisym's books, he has a $1,000 asset (the property) but that asset and $1 will buy him a cup of coffee.  So the banks can show that they have a great balance sheet - they've got gazillions in assets in theory but nothing in practice because they can't sell those assets.   Without cold hard cash, they can't pay bills and so Artisym goes out of business.

Meanwhile, a bunch of other banks see the same problem and pretty soon they come whining to the government asking for the government to buy all these defaulted on assets.  If they don't, then there's a chance that a bunch of these banks will fail like Artisym's bank did.  

If a bunch of banks start to fail, then people will start to flood to the bank to get their money out (or everything over what FDIC covers) which in turn would cause a total economic meltdown.

I don't expect the left-wingers to understand this fairly straight forward explaination because it's beyond them to realize that the ultimate responsibility for this crisis are not "the rich" but instead the dead beat poor people who defaulted on their loans and the predatory lenders who preyed on them.

on Oct 02, 2008

Smoothseas, if you want to call me ignorant

Then I guess Ill go with my initial instinct instead of taking your for your word. Thats makes you dishonest since most of what you do is simply repeat political rhetoric.

You stated:

The collapse occurred because of dead beat poor people who took out mortgages they couldn't afford

And you have through several posts consistantly stated that it is the poor. Take a look at forclosure listings. They run the full range from low cost housing to multi million dollar complexes. It is not just the poor. It is also middle income as well as the wealthy as well as developers who have defaulted on loans. If you look at analysis of small banks that have failed you will see that many of them had large percentages of defaults on commercial loans, more specifically commercial loans for home builders. It also includes a hell of a lot of LLC's that have duped people just like they did 20 years ago. If a specific local real estate market has a 10% decline then a 100K house loses 10k in value however a 500K house loses 50K of asset value. Maybe you're biased because you live in Michigan, however did you ever consider that a place like Detroit may have such a high forclosure rate because the area lost the most jobs in the nation since the beginning of the year?

I don't expect the left-wingers to understand this fairly straight forward explaination because it's beyond them to realize that the ultimate responsibility for this crisis are not "the rich" but instead the dead beat poor people who defaulted on their loans

Nope once again you show it is ignorance.

 

 

on Oct 02, 2008

I don't expect left-wingers to understand basic economics but I'll try anyway:

Because your explanation of basic economics does not even scratch the surface of what is happening right now. If it was we would be able to pull off another Resolution Trust Corporation and be done with it. Unfortunately the mbs's that foreign investors started throwing back at us several months ago are becoming a huge problem. When a country like ours has a huge trade deficit and relies on foreign investment to pay the bills and the foreign investors no longer want to buy this debt then you have one very big problem that goes far further than your very simplistic explanation of a foreclosure.

on Oct 03, 2008

I don't know why left-wingers are so quick to throw the word ignorant when they should know better. Smoothseas, if you want to call me ignorant, show your credentials. What is it you do for a living that could conceivably demonstrate that you are more familiar with this crisis than I.

I work for a fund managing firm and I have studied advanced financial mathematics, do I qualify?

What exactly do you think an "exotic debt instrument" is? Do you even know or were you quoting from some other left-wing site that didn't know what it is either?

I am not sure, but I though she was actually referring to the derivative products based on those subprime mortgages. These were (and still somewhat are) new financial products, and they qualify as "debt". But financial firms actually rated their quality as the bank that emmited them, no the mortgage deal itself.

But we can find a lot of reason why this crisis is happening:

- The ridiculous interest rates of 2002-2003 that the Federal Governement set. Which caused

- A very, very, very loosening of the credit, which caused

- Sup-prime mortgage. Because of the USA are so highly mighty about de-regulation of the markets, you ended up with huge debt for everybody, which lead to..

- House bubble. More customer = higher price. The house bubble actually worsen the previous point, since people were actually taking an interest-only repayment schedule for their mortgage, and were betting that the value of their house would eventually rise, and they'd be able to pay the mortgage with it.

- A loosening of the credit meant the banks tried to find a way to sell even more mortgages (the fools). But they had regulative restriction of 1$ of asset to cover for every 12$ of debt they lended. So they decided to create an exotic product to sell these debts to third-parties, who heavily invested in them, since is looked cheap for very good interest rates.

But all good thing must come to an end. House Bubble popped, which means supprimes cannot refund. Which means derivative debt products become worthless. Which means tightening of the credit, since it's becoming a rare commodity.

on Oct 03, 2008

But we can find a lot of reason why this crisis is happening:

Just take a look at Japans economic crisis. We basically took the same road as they did. The only difference is that they had higher savings rates. Shame on the U.S. because now we are starting off even worse than they did, however they did have a bigger real estate bubble bursting heading into their crisis. Ours is probably only a little past half way down. I suspect we will ultimately end up with an average loss in value from peak to be about 30%. Best estimates suggest an 18 month classic U recession, however others predict a more severe L . Seeing how congress will be incapable of doing anything right until atleast Jan and probably not even after then its probably a safe bet to plan for an L shaped recession of indeterminate length.

Expect all mortgages to become nationalized and then a huge debate on whether those assets are capitalized through a national bank or banking system. And since we have more or less nationalized AIG we might as well nationalize insurance followed by health care (LOL). In any case recapitalizing the banks should be interesting. I would prefer a model more akin to those which were used in solving the Scandinavian financial crisis' however it looks as if congress is so clueless on such matters that we may end up with something that is far less effective and cost the taxpayers far more than what they are currently claiming . Its going to be more like 1.5 trillion. 

 

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