Published on June 24, 2008 By Artysim In Politics

It looks like Dr. James Dobson is at it again. He is saying that Obama has a distorted view of the bible and a 'fruitcake' view of the constitution. First off you should know this article is not defending/attacking or advocating Obama in any way. In all truth, Dobson could have said the exact same thing about McCain, or the green party candidate, or GWB and I'd be just as incensed. My problem lies not with who the target of the day may be, but with the system that has been created that has married religion with politics, creating a frankenstein that denigrates both.

The title "conservative christian" should not exist. Neither should the term "liberal christian" or "moderate christian". Putting those two words together regardless of which flavour of politics and faith you choose to subscribe to is mixing two things that have absolutely no business being together. You can be a christian and be a conservative, that's great. You can be a christian and be a socialist too, and that's great also. You can be also be a liberal or conservative budhist, it really doesn't matter.

What does matter goes back to two very important lessons, one learned by the founders of the United States and one taught by Jesus himself (along with many others). The founders of the U.S and their descendants saw first hand the effects of allowing religion and politics to be combined in the national dialogue. They saw wars between protestants and catholics and persecution of other faiths in Europe, depending on which side held power at the time. They knew that in order for a country to be stable and truly free, religion should be kept in the pulpit and out of the halls of legislature. This is why a president, in theory, could be a Muslim, Orthodox Jew, Christian or Budhist and it shouldn't make a difference on the national level.

Imagine if the U.S had instead, for whatever reason, been mostly colonized by Hindus with only a small Christian minority. Or, if the wars of the 13 colonies against various native tribes had turned out differently (and smallpox hadn't wiped out massive numbers of natives) thus leading to a U.S today in which native groups made up half or more of the population. Imagine a media with prominent Hindu religious figures or Tribal Medicine Men (forgive my ignorance, whatever the equivalent religious position would be) attacking a political candidate on the national stage for not adhering to that particular group's religious beliefs. Especially if that candidate happened to be, God forbid, a Christian or even worse an Atheist!

Jesus addressed this issue himself directly when asked about a topic that will be eternally hated and debated as long as man lives.... TAXES!

When asked about taxes his reply was "Give to God what is God's and to Caesar what is Caesar's" It was these simple words that illustrated the divide between physical/material loyalty to the state and spiritual loyalty to God (or whatever diety or lack thereof you subscribe to) It was stated less eloquently in the movie Full Metal Jacket when the drill instructor yells "You can give your hearts to Jesus, but your ass belongs to me!!" 

The Roman Empire saw what a truly powerful entity religious faith was and how in a free environment it created people with dual loyalties who weren't as easily controlled. This was unnacceptable, so they merged the Church and the State by creating among other things the Catholic church. They (the Romans, I'm not attacking or defending the catholic faith here as that's a whole other ball of wax for another time) also quite succesfully created a militarized version of Christianity...which at it's core is actually quite pacifist..which lead to all sorts of romping-fun adventures with knights and armies razing and pillaging cities in the name of reclaiming glory for their God, or trinity of three God's in one or whatever the flavour of the day was.

The real issue at hand here is that once you succesfully mix the church and the state there is virtually no limit to all kinds of abuse of power. When this happens you have priests, reverends and pastors telling their congregations whom they should vote for, insinuating that if they vote differently then they're somehow violating a tenet of their faith. You get sermons that don't deal with teaching the actual faith but with spreading a political opinion on a certain subject and then twisting scripture to try and support it. This is why the founding fathers created the United States as an explicitly secular nation. Not to harm the church, but to protect it, it's members and all those of different faiths or no faith at all. The religious views of a president, or a presidential candidate should have no bearing on an election. The church should have no voice in national politics, just as the state should have no voice in the beliefs or application of those beliefs by it's members. There will always be caveats and exceptions to that statement and we see the church vs state battle all the time whenever a child of a Jehova's Witness family needs a blood transfusion to live and a legal battle ensues between the government and the family (I hope that is correct, if it's not JW beliefs regarding blood transfusions I apologize)

Instead over the last few decades we have seen constant attacks against the mechanisms that ensure separation of church and state which have benefitted everyone. We saw the creation of the christian coalition which married right wing politics with a particular brand of christian faith, thus making the statement that "true" christian values subscribed to a particular flavour of politics.

We've seen these groups continually push political agendas while using religion as a mask for justification. Jesus never spoke about labour unions but somehow they've become a dirty word. Why? Jesus never advocated right wing or left wing politics. Those terms didn't even exist then. He never addressed the issue of illegal immigration or abortion or the right to post the 10 commandments in a court house or whether or not we should support our troops or pursue stem cell research. The only time he got angry was when he entered the temple and saw it being used as a market place. Now today these advocacy groups are very well funded and have extensive investments in the marketplace and massive marketing drives selling bibles or CD's or left behind books and even hope (yes, you can now sell hope) which directly contradict his message. What he did do was heal the sick and the poor out of compassion, told us to love our neighbours and never advocated violence (so much so that he stopped his own disciples from defending themselves when the authorities came ot take him away)

Everything above I just said about Jesus can be debated ad infinitum and that's great. The beauty of separation of church and state is that everything I just said about Jesus is meaningless if you're not a christian. If you're an atheist or a Hindu it doesn't apply to you, so why should one particular religion or group of religions have license to hijack the political dialogue of an entire country that (supposedly) is free from all that?

Should it matter if the president is a Christian or subscribes to Focus on the Family's particular political ideas? No, it should not. And James Dobson, while he has every right to speak his mind, has no ground to make a statement that marries political views with scriptural interpretations in regards to the suitability of a political candidate. Obamas' religious beliefs are his own and should stay that way and the same goes for McCain and anyone else who runs for office. On the flipside of that, if a president starts pushing law and policy based on their flavour of religion then that too is an abuse and that person should be removed from office. Most of these so-called "Spiritual Leaders" who are so influential and have such massive congregations spend far more time pushing political agendas and then using heavily skewed interpretations of snippets of scripture to support them, than they ever do actually teaching their faith.

I grew up in a home that was trapped in the southern-baptist mentality. We had Focus on the Family magazines by subscription and "Christian" books and music that pushed far more politics than they ever did actual Christianity. At the root of it all was control. James Dobson (or perhaps his organization) is more concerned with controlling the audience through fear and induced outrage. They push the fear of damnation. They push fear of criminals prowling the streets, crying that the justice system is too soft and needs harsher punishment. Fear of "immoral" behaviour and practices that will somehow destroy our way of life (by immoral what they really mean to say is most anything different from their beliefs) and of course the ultimate clincher of the end-times; "it's just around the corner you know, and if you don't shape up and vote for our preferred candidate you just might be left behind... don't believe us? Here, we can sell you a book that'll tell you all the nasty things that will happen to you in detail if you're not an obedient little automaton".

The end-times (whatever that means) may indeed be around the corner but when they come I certainly do not expect the monstrous, intolerant, corporate friendly, anti-union, pro-gun, pro-death penalty, anti-stem cell research, free-market God that these frankenstein groups have created to push their agenda on us. And if that God really is or were as these groups say he/she/it is, I think we're all better off without him.

 


Comments
on Jun 24, 2008
I disagree and you are mixing up the issue. The Government has no right to interfere in religion, and that is in the constitution. Every citizen, regardless of religion has a right to say what they want about the government. And they can even link religion to it. As they are not making laws. And indeed religion is a very powerful force in many lives, so their world view is colored by their faith.

Dobson gets quoted because of his celebrity status. But he has no more decision making authority than I do. He can say that Obama (or McCain as I think he did during the primaries) is the devil himself! And is taking the nation to a godless path. More power to him! Big deal. So what? That is the foundation of our freedom. But as soon as we go down your path - limiting his speech because he says he speaks with the authority of god (or not, I really dont listen to him so I dont know how he puts his condemntations) - you have restricted everyone's rights. And that is clearly against the constitution.

And the "Christian Right"? Or the left's equivalent? Again, those labels are the creation of the media. It does not matter if you are christian, right, left, center of upside down. You have the right to free assembly, so you can get atheists for Greens, Jews for Republicans, or Muslims for Liberals. It is their right to associate and vote for whom they want - and to pool their resources to make their combined voices louder. The government cannot decide arbitrarily to silence them because they speak in tongues.

I agree with your title, and little else here. The flaw is your basic premise. It is not religion that is being restricted by your title, it is government. And we must restrict government or tomorrow we may be on the chopping block for - omg - crossing ourselves before we enter the polling place.

Let Dobson rail. Let Wright rail! Rail against them! Against their message, against their hate (if applicable). But never call down the wrath of government to silence them! For in so doing, we all lose. Regardless of what WE believe.
on Jun 25, 2008

But never call down the wrath of government to silence them!

Nowhere in the article did I question anyone's freedom of speech. Nowhere did I say that the government should limit or muzzle anyone's ability to express themselves. Nowhere did I say that Dobson doesn't have the constitutional right to say the things he does, or call for the government to step in and fix this.

What I was saying was I disagree with Dobson and his ilk that use religion as a mask for promoting their politics. Absolutely he has the right to say whatever he wants, but I think he is morally bankrupt for manipulating people in such a way.

Separation of church and state is one of the most misunderstood concepts that people like Dobson routinely use as a scare tactic to tell folks that the big bad government is going to come in and interfere with your right to practice your faith. The reality is no such thing. In actuality it protects everyone.

It is not religion that is being restricted by your title, it is government

What I'm saying is government should remain religiously neutral, hence "secular". This means that the government cannot legislate or act in favour of ANY particular religion. If this doesn't  happen, we will eventually end up in quite a similar predicament to Iran where religious leaders are only so in name and in actuality have become politicians that rule the country.

Again, the founding fathers knew this. They knew that in order for both society and it's religions to be truly free, government could not be guided or controlled by religion and vice versa. So now we have the Christian Coalition (founded to promote conservative christian 'politics', whatever those may be) and the Convention of Southern Baptists that regularly spreads political messages to it's congregation of millions. Nowhere do I question the right of these groups to say what they say, but I disagree with it to the core of my being.

What Dobson and the CC and CSB and all the other "conservative christian" groups have done is essentially hijack christianity and twisted it far beyond it's original premise to peddle political agendas. You are right that the government has no place in 'fixing' this. These groups can say whatever they want. It should be educated citizens who wake up and realize what these groups are doing in the name of their God(s) and either stop listening, leave and find other churches or actively promote the removal of these supposed spiritual leaders from within the organization (HA! that's REAL likely)

Instead what do we have? The worst kind of betrayal. People join churches for all kinds of reasons that are important to the core of their being. They join because of their faith in God or a higher power, they join because they want to belong to a community, to find wholeness and spiritual growth in their lives. When one walks into a church to hear a sermon on a regular basis, there is a great deal of trust that is formed between the preacher and the congregation. The congregation looks to the preacher to help, guide, lead or educate them in some way to a better place or understanding. And when you regularly listen to someone talking about eternity and the meaning of life those are cosmic issues which affect your very perception of reality, which is indeed a very intimate trust. So when that same preacher, who has already gained your trust and is already viewed as being in a position of authority starts preaching political opinions, that is a breach of trust that is being carried out far too often unfortunately these days. Where has this taken us?

These groups have succesfully created a God who is pro-war (so long as it protects U.S interests) pro-death penalty, anti-abortion, pro-business, pro-free market, anti-labour union, anti-stem cell research, anti-global warming, anti-evolution, anti-immigration, anti-universal healthcare, PRO-private healthcare, anti-welfare, pro-gun, anti- UN,pro-oil, anti-alternative energy, pro-republican, anti-democrat etc etc. I could go on for quite some time if I had the time, but I trust you understand where I am going with this:

These people in positions of authority have abused that authority by telling us they they know what God, the creator of the universe, believes about these issues, for which they have absolutely no basis. It's simply "God is against labor unions because he wants us to not be a bunch of slackers. Here's scripture xyz" (scripture which of course can be interpreted in any number of ways and doesn't clearly state anything to support their claims)

 

on Jun 25, 2008
Absolutely he has the right to say whatever he wants, but I think he is morally bankrupt for manipulating people in such a way.


Sure! NO question. And nowhere did you except in the title which implied it.

What Dobson and the CC and CSB and all the other "conservative christian" groups have done is essentially hijack christianity and twisted it far beyond it's original premise to peddle political agendas.


Eh, no. Their brand of christianity, perhaps. But not mine. Dobson and his ilk are merely using what got them to the ball. I dont agree with him, I think he is a fool. But no one would know him without his vehicle - religion. So that is why people listen (or in this case display shock and incredulity). He is a religious figure, so that is his platform.

And rail on! If I had the time, I would post an article at his idiocy as well. But the only thing they have hijacked (and it was theirs to do with anyway) is their base. What got them to the ball. I doubt they have much of a following outside of it, and certainly not the influence you attach to them for the right. They are more visible, but not more influential.
on Jun 29, 2008
What I was saying was I disagree with Dobson and his ilk that use religion as a mask for promoting their politics.

Mask? If his religion is a mask, it's 100% transparent. Whether you agree with him or not (and I strongly object to many of the things he's said), he has every right to stand up publicly and comment on politics, using any body of knowledge, including his religion, to inform those comments. Same with Reverend Wright. It's actually helpful to hear what such people think - makes for better decisions by us common folk.

What has come to be called "separation of church & state" is merely a ban on the establishment of a state religion.