Published on April 8, 2008 By Artysim In Politics

Is the Surge really working?

Although I am an unabashed liberal, I would like to ask the fine folks here to consider this article without political bias. I could care less whether a republican or democratic president was responsible for giving the order to go into Iraq. History does have a habit of repeating itself- so with that in mind I'm going to go ahead and ask if the surge is really working, considering previous occupations and how they ended... first, a little history.

Back in january 1968, the North Vietnamese launched a massive offensive in concert with their irregular elements against South Vietnam and major U.S bases in country. Militarily, this offensive was a complete defeat for the north and a victory for the U.S and South Vietnamese. Politically it was a massive victory for the north (albeit unintentional by their own admission) and was a major turning point in the war- many Americans realized that the war would not end soon and the boys definitely would not be home by Christmas.

While the northern leadership was actually quite dismayed by their failure (the true goal was to spur a mass uprising in the south that would overthrow the government of the day) It also shocked the Americans, both civillian and military. While strategic planners and intel knew beforehand that the north was planning something big, they did not believe that the north could field such a large scale operation. On the tactical level execution was poor, many objectives were based on outdated or sketchy intel and small unit actions were poorly co-ordinated, further contributing to the failure of northern forces. At the end of the day though, while they failed in their objectives they still succeeded in mounting attacks against major U.S bases and headquarters and even succeeded in getting a 19 man sapper team onto the grounds of the U.S embassy in Saigon.

This failed action sent the message that the other team was still fully capable of playing ball and was far from beaten. U.S forces remained in country several more years until they withdrew with the understanding that they would continue to offer air support, intel and advisors. We all know how that went.

So, what does this have to do with Iraq? For the last year (well almost) we have been hearing about how stability is slowly returning to Iraq. Attacks are down, sectarian violence is down, and even many Sunni groups are now working in tandem with Americans and the Iraqi Gov to kick out AQ. And good on' em.

By all appearances, until last week the surge has had the appearance of working quite well. What isn't talked about too openly though is that the drop in violence has been largely due to many  insurgents agreeing not to attack coalition forces. This does not mean that they have turned in their rifles or had a change of heart.

The last couple of weeks have brought to light just how illusory these "gains" really are. When Maliki decided to go into Basra and crack down on some of Sadr's boys, all bets were off... the Green Zone was shelled for several days, resulting in several casualties. Clashes broke out in several cities, and 11 U.S service personnel have been killed since sunday.

Despite U.S and U.K air support, the government attempt to take Basra was an utter failure. Maliki headed there to personally oversee operations but had to be rescued by U.S airlift when militia fighters got too close to his headquarters. That, and an estimated 1000 members of the Iraqi army and police have either defected to the militia they were supposed to stamp out, or simply refused to fight. Now that more than a week has passed, Sadr's militia is stronger than before the failed government attempt to take Basra. Public sentiment, while polarized, is siding more with Sadr as he is being seen as a fighter of the occupation, as opposed to the government who is seen as more of a puppet of the Americans.

With the fact that there remain tens of thousands of well armed, experienced combatants in Iraq who do not share any love for the U.S, I cannot help but wonder when the Iraqi version of Tet will come. The last few weeks should serve as a clear warning sign that the other team is still on the playing field, and they can still play ball. Just because some of the factions have temporarily reigned in their actions, does not mean that they are toothless. If anything, the surge has been a perfect opportunity for many of these groups to re-group and re-arm. It is because of this that I would like to say I do not think the Surge is actually working. It has the appearance of working on the outside, but deep down the U.S will never be able to leave Iraq victoriously.


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on Apr 17, 2008
Prove otherwise. Put up or shut up Dr. Iwishiwasaguy


Probably not, but the average fifteen year old is much more capable of independent thought than the average conservative.


Liar
on Apr 17, 2008
I accept your admission that you can't prove me wrong.
on Apr 17, 2008
In full truth part of the problem is the audience.


I agree with you here. It is the audience that was the problem for Air America. They would not listen to the shows. Advertisement money is based on the share of the audience. No big numbers no big pay checks. Rush Limbaugh has 20 million people a week listen to his show. He gets big bucks for his broadcasts. Air America gets 5 thousand people a month listening to the show. No one in their right mind will spend money to advertise on that network. From the start they had to pay the radio stations to put them on the air.

At the same time they mismanaged their operating funds paying people like Al Franken 3 million dollars a year to spew hate which turned people off. When the checks bounced he walked away. If he believed in his cause and wanted the network to succeed he would have taken less pay at the start. But the greedy liberal he is he took the money and ran just like all the other talent they hired. They promised their employees health care but could not deliver because there was no money coming in. unlike the liberals in the government they could not demand more money to pay the people or provide health care. They lived off the millions given them by other rich liberals until they said enough.

What is great about Air America is that it proved the liberal way of running the country. They spend more than they take in and demand more money. When they can’t get more money they raise taxes so they can spend more money to help the poor. They don’t understand that they are creating more poor people by raising taxes.
on Apr 17, 2008
I accept your admission that you can't prove me wrong.


I have proven you wrong and posted your hate on another thread. You do that nicely by playing this game. Prove me wrong.
on Apr 17, 2008
I have proven you wrong


Keep telling yourself that, eventually you may eventually convince yourself. Nobody of value will believe you though.
on Apr 18, 2008
Probably not, but the average fifteen year old is much more capable of independent thought than the average conservative.


Liar


Why? People are never more likely to question authority then in their youth. There's no reason this shouldn't lead to more independent thought than would arise in the mind of someone who has a) already chosen their political philosophy, self-identifies with it and c) has chosen a philosophy that places tradition at the top of the heap priorities-wise.

on Apr 18, 2008

People are never more likely to question authority then in their youth.

Not sure about that. I was rather assimilated when I was younger. It was only in 2001 or so that I started seriously to question everything that seemed right before.

 

on Apr 18, 2008
Nobody of value will believe you though.


Everyone with a brain will. So you are saying then that loonies on the left have no brains? And you insist that you are not insulting everyone? Now you have not only insulted republicans, you have insulted your own side as well. I guess that makes you an equal opportunity insulter. All air, and no substance.
on Apr 18, 2008
Politico:
While completely ignoring the fact that the rightwing corporations have so effectively locked up a monopoly its virtually impossible to launch ANY new competing syndicate regardless of the type.


Idiot! Madison is the kind of place where pro Communist flyers are openly displayed on street posts, but if you have a Bush sticker on your car, your windows are probably going to get smashed. On "State Street" every third shop sells stickers, posters and even tapestries dedicated to left wing ideals. The only time you'll hear or see Bush's name is if they trashing him. Even in a bastians of Lefty lunacy like Madison Wisconsin, Rush Limbaugh's show had far higher ratings than Air America.

on Apr 18, 2008
Why? People are never more likely to question authority then in their youth. There's no reason this shouldn't lead to more independent thought than would arise in the mind of someone who has a) already chosen their political philosophy, self-identifies with it and c) has chosen a philosophy that places tradition at the top of the heap priorities-wise.


Read the thread. She is claiming now that she has not insulted anyone. I just pulled up one of her posts to show that she is a liar. That was my comment. She writes posts and then forgets she wrote them, or lies about them. "I forgot" is not the same as "No I did not".

She is a liar.
on Apr 18, 2008
Madison is the kind of place where pro Communist flyers are openly displayed on street posts,


Douchebag, is your minuscule brain too damaged to comprehend the difference between one city and a national network?

The only time you'll hear or see Bush's name is if they trashing him.


That's the only time Bush's name should EVER be mentioned. He has yet to do even a single thing in his life worthy of praise from anyone with morals.



on Apr 18, 2008
Read the thread. She is claiming now that she has not insulted anyone. I just pulled up one of her posts to show that she is a liar. That was my comment. She writes posts and then forgets she wrote them, or lies about them. "I forgot" is not the same as "No I did not".


Okay then. I didn't pick up on that context.

Not sure about that. I was rather assimilated when I was younger. It was only in 2001 or so that I started seriously to question everything that seemed right before.


Interesting. The rebellious teen is one of Australian culture's biggest stereotypes. And from my experience it's mostly true. I guess it's another international difference then.
on Apr 19, 2008

Polico:

Douchebag


You're the one with the vinegar... although watered down too much to be effective.

is your minuscule brain too damaged to comprehend the difference between one city and a national network?


Idiot. Even national radio networks are broken down by market. The shows within a market compete with each other for ratings. In other words, a show might be #1 in (say) San Francisco, but that doens't mean anything in the (say) Sheboyan, WI market. So, even though Air America is a national network, it is only as good as the ratings in individual markets.

Madison, being a bastian of Liberalism, should have been a slam dunk #1 market for Air America. It is a ready made audience. Any conservative talk show in the area has a handicap against it, since such a big part of the market would rather slit their own wrists than tune into a station that ran a show like Rush Limbaugh, much less tuning into the show itself.

But, and it's a big one. All the conservative radio shows in the Madison market consistently beat Air America for ratings. It's about like finding out that chick flicks are the #1 pass time among professional wrestlers.

Do you understand now? Or did I use too many big words?

on Apr 19, 2008
Interesting. The rebellious teen is one of Australian culture's biggest stereotypes. And from my experience it's mostly true. I guess it's another international difference then.


Nah! Hormones don't know borders.
on Apr 22, 2008
Even national radio networks are broken down by market.


psychotic fool, that is based on the concept of Republicans actually interested in allowing competition. Would it be legitimate to claim that Burger King can't sell burgers if you McDonalds was allowed to determine where Burger King could build?
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