<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" version="2.0"><channel><title>my so-called liberal thoughts Comments - Brought to you by JoeUser</title><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/rss/comments</link><copyright>© 2006 - 2008 Stardock Corporation. All rights reserved.</copyright><description /><language>en-us</language><pubDate>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDate><lastBuildDate>2008-07-21T00:03:51</lastBuildDate><docs>http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/rss/rss.html</docs><generator>Stardock Rss Generator v1.0, Andrew Powell</generator><managingEditor>info@stardock.com</managingEditor><webMaster>apowell@stardock.com</webMaster><item><author>BlueDev</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<p><div class="Article_Quote">That is a myth. Like smoking, the government makes money off of health problems. How? People die younger so they draw less SS.</div></p>
<p>Do you have any data to back this up?&nbsp; Or are you just pulling random BS numbers out of the air (or other, less hygenic regions)?&nbsp; 'Cause to be honest, I'm betting on the latter.&nbsp; You are going to have to find some serious solid evidence to support that idiotic claim, because even the slightest bit of insight into how much obestiy and smoking cost the Government (in terms of Medicare and Medicaid, as well as lost wages due to illness=lost taxes) argue against your statement.</p>
<p>I look forward to your fact-filled reply.&nbsp; Or perhaps you will do what you do best, be elusive when someone calls you on your bull crap.</p>
<p>As to the article itself, I sit somewhere in between.&nbsp; I don't necessarily think Government should mandate, though I think from a public health standpoint it is an excellent idea.&nbsp; I think many of us would be startled to know that, for example, that Bloomin Onion offered as an appetizer to the meal actually has &gt;2300 calories.&nbsp; I don't see restaraunts making it easier for the public to make educated decisions as a bad thing.</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>BlueDev on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Sodaiho</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<p>Moreover, if I purchase something shouldn't I have the right to know from the manufacturer what went into the product? Especially if I'm going to eat it? I'm for all the help I can get to live a healthier and better life.</p>
<p>Be well.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Sodaiho on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Daiwa</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">In summary, high oil speculation is a symptom, not a cause, of the dysfunctional international oil markets (oil cartel's operating with massive demand). Speculation makes for a wonderful straw man, but it isn't the source of our problems, IMHO.</div><br/>I'm in agreement with you there.  I often wonder "What took so long?"<br/><div class="Article_Quote">With an "unregulated" speculation market as we have now, it will take one large drop in the price of oil to ruin the fortunes of many many speculators.</div><br/>And so it should be.  The same applies to the housing market.  Nobody (now) talks about the remarkable runup of home values that made many people quite comfortable financially, some flatout rich, thanks to the (relatively) inflated value of their principal asset, without having to lift a finger.  Even after the market "correction" in home values, the overwhelming majority of homeowners have seen the value of that principal asset far outpace inflation.<br/><br/>Every market cycle has relative winners and losers.  Each and every one of us should shoulder the burden of our voluntary choices, and not blame the cycle which both blesses and curses us.  5 years ago, you didn't hear people saying "OMG, these people are offering us too much for our home.  We're going to cut the price by 10%."  Now, too many want "protection" only against the downslope of the cycle, something that is impossible in a market-based economy.<br/>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Daiwa on The Failure of Capitalism!</title></item><item><author>Eagle Seven</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</comments><description><![CDATA[I politely have a slightly different perspective on the airline's difficulties, and speculation in general. Oil speculators are commodity gamblers, in that they are betting against future prices by selling short or buying on margin, so to speak. As such, the trading is high risk, with the potential for big profits and big losses. With an "unregulated" speculation market as we have now, it will take one large drop in the price of oil to ruin the fortunes of many many speculators.<br/><br/>There is speculation on almost every commodity humans trade, and yet we only hear about it now, when oil prices are so high? How can the speculators guess that oil prices will go up in the future, and thus make major money buying futures contracts? <br/><br/>Simply put, with the growing demand in places like China and India, combined with the US's <I>regulations against oil drilling and exploration</I>, mean that it is a very good bet that oil prices will be going up. Hence, speculators are willing to buy oil at a price higher than market value, expecting to sell when the market value exceeds their buying price. <br/><br/>Furthermore, you say yourself that speculators never actually touch the oil they are "trading." It's much like two banks passing off a promissory note on a house, when they have never seen said house. <br/><br/>So, while yes, speculators have increased the oil prices marginally, they have been doing so for the past twenty years, and are able to now because such regulatory agencies such as OPEC and the US Government have stabilized these high prices. <br/><br/>In summary, high oil speculation is a symptom, not a cause, of the dysfunctional international oil markets (oil cartel's operating with massive demand). Speculation makes for a wonderful straw man, but it isn't the source of our problems, IMHO.<br/>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Eagle Seven on The Failure of Capitalism!</title></item><item><author>Daiwa</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">Any analysis of history will show that human governments overwhelmingly are engineered to grow the wealth of those that have power (usually via military force) over the subjugated peoples.</div><br/>Except here. <br/><br/><div class="Article_Quote">The fact that you trust the people with the military power (IRS and Army) to protect the little man I find quite scary, and plain stupid.</div><br/>The IRS usually goes where the money is, not after the little man, and the Army hasn't stopped by my house in, oh, a coon's age.<br/><br/>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Daiwa on The Failure of Capitalism!</title></item><item><author>Eagle Seven</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</comments><description><![CDATA[Any analysis of history will show that human governments overwhelmingly are engineered to grow the wealth of those that have power (usually via military force) over the subjugated peoples. One could hardly argue the regulations of Louis XVI benefited the poor of his country.<br/><br/>The fact that you trust the people with the military power (IRS and Army) to protect the little man I find quite scary, and plain stupid.<br/><br/>Indeed, our system is not perfect, but it does allow for unprecedented social mobility. <br/>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Eagle Seven on The Failure of Capitalism!</title></item><item><author>Moderateman</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[After reading the article {thank you artysim} and the comments, I am afraid I am going to have to throw my considerable weight behind tex {215} It makes sense to know exactly what kind of damage you are doing when dining out, much like it makes sense to know what you are doing when dining at home. 30 calories here, 45 calories there 70 calories over there before you know we are the fattest nation on the planet! OH WAIT! we ALREADY ARE!]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Moderateman on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Texas  Wahine</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[Here's the thing though...<br/><br/>Dr.Guy is arguing on the principle that it's government interference to mandate that restaurants in NY post calorie counts for their menu items.<br/><br/>I disagree, but this is a stance that has some substance to it.  The idea that the gov't should not be involved in things like this.<br/><br/>That may be what you are trying to argue for as well, but I think you're diluting your message by going back and forth with me on what can be reasonably expected of consumers.  <br/><br/>What I hear is from your argument is that restaurants shouldn't have to do it because it's not necessary.  Not that it's not right, but that you feel it's not necessary.<br/><br/>I disagree simply because I know how different calorie counts can be for similar foods.  You don't believe it, but you admit you're not much of a calorie counter.  <br/><br/>It also surprises me that you think that people don't order food and only eat half, or some other portion, even though they paid for it.  People actually do that because they feel their health is worth the $$.  <br/><br/>Most people just have the portion they won't eat at the meal boxed up for another day, but some people will ask for a half portion, knowing they will pay the full price.  They just don't want the temptation.<br/><br/>It is part of navigating in the world we live in...a give and take to be able to enjoy foods we love but not suffer health consequences from overindulgence.<br/><br/>I know that your argument is that it makes people lazy to have information posted by a restaurant, but I don't believe that has bearing on whether or not it's right for the gov't to require it.  For me personally, I don't know if I would lobby for it, but I support it.  ]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Texas  Wahine on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[Just to make this clear I am not trying to say you are wrong TW. I just wanna make sure you understand that. As I said, I understand your argument and agree with it. It just not what I am trying to say.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[[reply # 36]<br/><br/>As I said before I understand. That is a well laid out plan. But you obviously know that something like a single hamburger ranges around 300 to 500 calories and a double will obviously be more. You also know that milk will have a certain amount of calories and that fried chicken with mash potatoes, gravy and a biscuit will also have a certain amount of calories. You know this because you made it your business to know. That is my point, you made it your business to know. I only care about people not becoming too lazy to have to have everything done for them rather than making the effort to know this stuff themselves. Can you imagine the kind of world we would live in if people actually made the effort to know how their food is prepared, what goes into every meal they eat, how bad it could actually be for you, etc? A better one as far as I'm concerned. I only eat fast foods because they exist, otherwise I would eat what was convenient at the moment.<br/><br/>I should care more about my health, but for now I wanna enjoy life. Of course I don't over do it. But i don't spend my time worrying about every extra calorie, I just can't or I will end up missing out on a lot. But that's just me.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">Yes, people go to a restaurant and order something special they enjoy that is a "splurge" and fit it into their daily or weekly calorie allotment. Portion control plays a part as well. Just because you find it worthless to order a pizza and not eat the whole thing doesn't mean other people don't control their portion sizes and adjust the rest of their eating for the day to accommodate their special meal.</div><br/><br/>And hence my point that if they do have a favorite, would they not try to know how many calories the food has off hand? Are you telling me people will go to a pizzeria and ask for half a slice of pizza just to make sure they don't go beyond their calorie limit they set for themselves? Or pay for a full slice (since odds are yo wont get half a slice) and only eat enough of it according to the possible calories in that portion? Give me a break.<br/><br/><div class="Article_Quote">The fact that you are trying to suggest that normal people who watch what they eat should simply never eat out or never have high calorie foods demonstrates your lack of understanding regarding portion control and moderation in eating.</div><br/><br/>It's a matter of logic, you don't eat what may not be good for you if that is your goal. You can't be calorie conscious and wanna eat everything on the menu, not unless you go to a place where they sell low calorie foods. This is basically a have your cake and eat it too situation. I understand portion control and moderation but again, unless you plan on paying full price for the half of meal you will eat, based on the calorie count you wish to consume, or will ask every location you go to eat to only give you half or what ever portion you deem acceptable to your calorie count, I still don't see why you can't simply have an idea of what you can and can't eat and accept that there will simply be somethings out of you "calorie by calorie count" reach.<br/><br/><div class="Article_Quote">Before you looked it up, was it OBVIOUS to you how many calories a given burger would have? </div><br/><br/>I never bothered to check because I was not interested. Otherwise I would have to stop eating fast food all together.<br/><br/><div class="Article_Quote"><br/>You are pretending to have a mastery of something you know very little about and you're attempting to play catch-up now. It shows.</div><br/><br/>I never claimed to be a master of anything I am simply trying to explain my point which you have not understood yet. I understand what you are trying to say and it makes sense. But, again, my point is that most meals will have an average amount of calories and the average amount of daily calories the average person should intake ranges from more or less 1900 to 2500 calories per day (depending on male/female, daily lifestyle and your health) so it's obvious a person who cares will avoid certain foods just because.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Texas  Wahine</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[Let me give you a real-life example and maybe it will help you understand.<br/><br/>I am pregnant and nursing.  My daily calorie goal (as per the nutritionist) is about 2,890 right now.  My goal is to provide my body with enough calories to allow it to produce milk, provide energy for me for my activities and provide for my normal bodily functions, and provide energy and resources for the fetus and to sustain the needs of the pregnancy.  <br/><br/>I don't consider this being a calorie-freak.  If I do not hit the right amount of calories, I suffer, my milk production suffers, and my pregnancy (thus the fetus) suffers.  If I go over, I will have excess weight gain that can contribute to health problems.  I want to strive for right in that window.  <br/><br/>My calorie allotment is such that, guess what, I could have a 1,490 calorie meal.  <br/><br/>It CAN be important to know the calories you are consuming.  And it's not always intuitive.  Sometimes you're SHOCKED to find out how many calories are really in something that you thought was harmless (800 calorie muffin, anyone?).<br/><br/>Does that help you see what I'm getting at at all?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Texas  Wahine on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Texas  Wahine</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[Yes, people go to a restaurant and order something special they enjoy that is a "splurge" and fit it into their daily or weekly calorie allotment.  Portion control plays a part as well.  Just because you find it worthless to order a pizza and not eat the whole thing doesn't mean other people don't control their portion sizes and adjust the rest of their eating for the day to accommodate their special meal.<br/><br/>The fact that you are trying to suggest that normal people who watch what they eat should simply never eat out or never have high calorie foods demonstrates your lack of understanding regarding portion control and moderation in eating.  <br/><br/>Before you looked it up, was it OBVIOUS to you how many calories a given burger would have?  <br/><br/>You are pretending to have a mastery of something you know very little about and you're attempting to play catch-up now.  It shows.  <br/><br/>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Texas  Wahine on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">Between those three places alone, there is a range of 220 calories to 1250 calories, just for 1 burger ALONE!! That doesn't even compare the chicken sandwiches!</div><br/><br/>One more time TW. It's obvious that a triple burger is going to have more calories than a single burger. Do you truly need a sign to tell you this? From your own post, the average difference in calories between sandwiches of the same category is between 75 and 100 calories. But it should be obvious that the average burger of a certain category (double, triple, with bacon, etc as example of categories) will be within the 400 to 600 calorie range or more depending on the category. Do you understand now?<br/><br/>My lord, I am positive I am talking English here. This is not about choosing the chicken over the beef because it has less calories, that would be obvious (in other words no sign required to inform you) in most cases. It's about knowing that a certain type of food will have an average amount of calories so you should be avoiding certain types of food from minute 1 if you are calorie conscientious. <br/>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">BIG difference between 1490 and 1766, Charles. Are you completely ignorant when it comes to eating?</div><br/><br/>Duh, of course it's a big difference but considering the amount of calories they already have, over 1000, does it really matter when you wanna eat this type of food anyways? How hard is it to understand, if you truly care about calories you would not be eat 1490 or 1799 calories at all from a single meal. This is not even including breakfast, lunch, the drinks, the bread they server while you wait or even desert. Add all of that up and you got enough calories to last you a life time (exaggerated on purpose BTW).]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">OMG Charles. Seriously.<br/><br/>It's not just portion size. Go re-read my post about different fettucine recipes.<br/><br/>You just never know what is going into something, and the calorie count can change DRAMATICALLY from one restaurant to another. Let me give you a clear example:<br/><br/>http://www.menshealth.com/20worst/worstffchicken.html</div><br/><br/>I just think we are not on the same page here. Different fettuccine alfredo recipes are not that much different from one another unless some ingredients are totally changed which then cease to be fettuccine alfredo. I don't expect to find tomato sauce in my fettuccine alfredo order.<br/><br/><div class="Article_Quote">Chicken = chicken = chicken is simply not true. This is not nit-picky 10-20 calories difference between restaurants.<br/><br/>What was the chicken cooked in? What was it marinated in? What's it topped with? It's not just serving size you're looking at. The can be some serious hidden calories going on.<br/><br/>You seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding about cooking and calorie content. You keep talking about people needing to educate themselves. No offense, Charles, but you are woefully uninformed when it comes to the food you put in your body.<br/><br/>You say 10,20,70 calories will not make a huge difference. Do you realize that 70 calories too many, every day, for a year = 7.3 lbs gained in a year. Just from 70 extra calories. Over 5 years, that's 36.5 lbs!!</div><br/><br/>TW, you are taking this a tad bit to exaggerated. My point was when eating something that has large calorie counts, going to a different restaurant to save 20 calories on the same meal is kinda pointless. And people who actually care about calories make sure they don't eat 36.5 Lbs worth of calories.<br/><br/>Look, it's simple. You don't eat foods crammed with huge calorie counts if you are calorie conscience. You don't eat chicken parmigiana, hamburgers, pizza, french fries, loaded baked potatoes, etc if you are watching what you eat. But if you gonna consume these types of foods, whats the point in keep track of calories? You think I'm gonna go to a pizza place order a slice of pizza and only eat 1/3 of it to make sure I watch my calories but still be able to eat my fav? No way, that's insane. I would rather not eat it at all.<br/><br/>One eats what one knows one should eat based on the research one should do when one cares about what one eats. You don't go eat something and hope it does not have fat, it's not loaded with calories or it's not bad for you. It's not as if people have refused to go out to eat to avoid eating too many calories. "I wanna eat here but want to know how many calories there are in my meal, they don't have a list yet of calories so i'll just keep eating till one comes out, then I'll decide", that is the mentality of the average person who up until now had not bothered to figure out what the hell they were eating.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Texas  Wahine</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[BIG difference between 1490 and 1766, Charles.  Are you completely ignorant when it comes to eating?<br/><br/>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Texas  Wahine on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Texas  Wahine</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[Charles, are you even paying attention?  <br/><br/>The calories are NOT so close that you might as well ignore it.  YOU think that because you've never bothered to check!<br/><br/>OMFG.  You are going to make me pull my hair out.  LOL.  <br/><br/>Burgers:<br/><br/>Burger King Whopper - 680<br/>Double Cheeseburger - 420<br/>Steakhouse Burger - 950<br/>Burger King burgers range from 290 (plain hamburger) to 1250 (Triple Whopper with Cheese) calories.<br/><br/>McDonalds Big and Tasty - 460<br/>Big Mac - 540<br/>Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese - 740<br/>McDonalds burgers range from 250 (plain burger) to 740 (Dbl Quarter Pounder w/Cheese).<br/><br/>Wendys Snack Attack Burger - 380<br/>Baconator - 840<br/>Single w/Everything - 430<br/>Wendys burgers range from 220 (kids hamburger) to 980 (Triple with Everything and Cheese).<br/><br/>Between those three places alone, there is a range of 220 calories to 1250 calories, just for 1 burger ALONE!!  That doesn't even compare the chicken sandwiches!  <br/><br/>And sit-down restaurants often have MUCH higher calorie counts for their food than even the fast food places.<br/><br/>Are you still going to try to tell me there's not that much difference?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Texas  Wahine on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[Here's an example of what I mean:<br/><br/><i>Chicken Parmigiano</i>:<br/><br/><b>Romano's Macaroni Grill</b> - 1490 calories<br/><br/><b>The Olive Garden</b> - 1300 calories<br/><br/><b>Red Robin</b> - 1766 calories<br/><br/>All can be found on this site <a href="http://www.thedailyplate.com/">http://www.thedailyplate.com/</a><br/><br/>Great place to educate yourself if you actually care about the calories you consume daily.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[Do the research people. Use the Internet just to get an idea of how close the calories are in burgers from Burger King, McDonalds and Wendy's. The calorie count is so close you may as well ignore it. Chances are most products of the same type but different brands have calorie counts too close to even bother making a choice based on the numbers. It's all in the ingredients and even that does not change much from location to location either.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Texas  Wahine</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[OMG Charles.  Seriously.<br/><br/>It's not just portion size.  Go re-read my post about different fettucine recipes.  <br/><br/>You just never know what is going into something, and the calorie count can change DRAMATICALLY from one restaurant to another.  Let me give you a clear example:<br/><br/>http://www.menshealth.com/20worst/worstffchicken.html<br/><br/>Chicken = chicken = chicken is simply not true.  This is not nit-picky 10-20 calories difference between restaurants.  <br/><br/>What was the chicken cooked in?  What was it marinated in?  What's it topped with?  It's not just serving size you're looking at.  The can be some serious hidden calories going on.<br/><br/>You seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding about cooking and calorie content.  You keep talking about people needing to educate themselves.  No offense, Charles, but you are woefully uninformed when it comes to the food you put in your body.  <br/><br/>You say 10,20,70 calories will not make a huge difference.  Do you realize that 70 calories too many, every day, for a year = 7.3 lbs gained in a year.  Just from 70 extra calories.  Over 5 years, that's 36.5 lbs!!  <br/><br/>Some people sincerely do pay attention to calories and care about what they put in their bodies.  And yes, these people eat at restaurants.  It's not just fat slobs who eat out.  <br/><br/>You CAN eat at a restaurant and still not overindulge if you are aware of the calories in the food selections.<br/><br/>PS - Often times, the "LITE" menu is anything but!  <br/><br/>I would love it, Charles, if you could, off the top of your head -- no googling -- tell me how big a portion size is for a chicken breast.  Can you do it?  Don't cheat!<br/><br/>DrGuy:  Heh, at least you're consistent.  That's a rather drastic stance to take.  Do you disagree with labels for things like hygiene items or medications?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Texas  Wahine on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">Didn't Tex's post make it clear that different restaurants and portion sizes can have vastly different calorie counts?</div><br/><br/>Again, portion sizes are not extremely different in most cases so calorie count will not be that extreme either. You guys/gals are knit picking small details here. A chicken breast is a chicken breast usually of the same size almost everywhere you go. Unless you get half a breast or more than 1 it's obvious the calories will go up and down accordingly. But do you really need a sign to tell you this? Even the ingredients such as a salad dressing, a BBQ sauce or a seasoning will not have drastic differences from restaurant to restaurant unless the cooks purposely use low calorie ingredients and again they usually announce it as a "Lite" menu.<br/><br/>If you wanna believe that 10, 20 or even 70 calories will make a huge difference to you then maybe, as DrGuy said, you should make your own food and don't eat out. Again, calorie conscious people do not eat out all the time knowing that chances are they will not be able to eat most of the stuff on a menu in most restaurants because they already did their homework.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Dr Guy</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">Why should I pay for you to know what the hell is in the groceries you buy?<br/><br/>What makes food sold in a restaurant different from food sold in store?</div><br/><br/>Great point!  2 wrongs do not make a right.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Dr Guy on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Dr Guy</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">Here in Canada we have universal healthcare, although it's run on a province by province basis, and I'm quite happy with the government provided healthcare here.</div><br/><br/>However many are not, and label it a dismal failure.  What is the reality?  There are countless faults with the plan, there are countless faults with the US plan.  Neither is perfect (see previous statement about any creation of man). However the waste and inefficiency of government (by default and fact) make any universal health care naturally deficient, and the very nature of government prohibits the correction of that fault.<br/><br/>They are still trying to correct the faults in the US plan.  Moving it to an inherently flawed plan would not be a correction, but an end to a process of refinement.  A flawed plan that in the end, produces better empirical results than the government run ones.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Dr Guy on The Failure of Capitalism!</title></item><item><author>Frogboy</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</comments><description><![CDATA[<P>I wasn't going to bother to respond to it because I don't accept the premise as valid and therefore everything from there on is irrelevant to me.</P>
<P>If someone says that the flying spaghetti monster created the universe and I choose not to respond that doesn't, by default, make the hypothesis true or accepted.</P>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Frogboy on The Failure of Capitalism!</title></item><item><author>Locamama</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<p><div class="Article_Quote">I think you missed the point actually. Fettucine Alfredo is Fettucine Alfredo no matter where you go. The difference is how the cook adds the ingredients. I seriously doubt that, unless made with low calorie ingredients, that Fettucine Alfredo will have major calorie count changes from restaurant to restaurant. If one restaurant says it has 325 calories, then chances are it will range between 300 and 350 betwen most restaurants. Again, if the ingredients used are of very low calories, they usually call it the "Lite" menu or some other catchy name. See my point?</div></p>
<p>Didn't Tex's post make it clear that different restaurants and portion sizes can have vastly different calorie counts?&nbsp;</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Locamama on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Daiwa</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">This chaos is thanks to decades of deregulation which has allowed a small number of rich folks to get richer while the majority of society has suffered.</div><br/>I stopped reading right there - told me you have no clue (really, I mean <B>no</B> clue) and that everything to follow was going to be simple propaganda.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Daiwa on The Failure of Capitalism!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<p>Damn, my spell chekc is not working. Hmm</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<p><div class="Article_Quote">
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!!!!
How do you magically know what is in a given dish at a specific
restaurant? How do you educate yourself when the information is
withheld?</div></p>
<p><br />I
think you missed the point actually. Fettucine Alfredo is Fettucine
Alfredo no matter where you go. The difference is how the cook adds the
ingredients. I seriously doubt that, unless made with low calorie
ingredients, that Fettucine Alfredo will have major calorie count
changes from restaurant to restaurant. If one restaurant says it has
325 calories, then chances are it will range between 300 and 350 betwen
most restaurants. Again, if the ingredients used are of very low
calories, they usually call it the "Lite" menu or some other catchy
name. See my point?</p>
<p>If people actually cared about how many calories they consume a day, most major fast food chains, potatoe chip companies, candy bar companies, etc would be out of business. We are not a fat nation because we educate ourselves in calories but ignore them for the tasty food fast food places and most restaurants serve. We are because even thought the Media has drilled it into out daily lives how bad most of this food is most people just don't care enough since people are not dying left and right because of it. Hell, people don't even consider the possibilities of not only how bad this food can be fore you but the conditions of the kitchens making the food. A New York KFC was once found to be infested with rats, KFC is still alive and kicking. A lady sued Wendy's because she claimed to have found a rats head in her chilli, she won yet chilli remains of of Wendy's best sellers. I can go on but I'm sure you get the point.</p>
<p><br />Again i point out this is all about being lazy. We complain about our children not getting the proper education while in school yet we do everything we can to avoid learning things as adults. Maybe everyone should watch the movie Wall-E and take in what happened to the human race that had to leave Earth and llive in space till Earth was livable again. They all got fat and lazy. Fat because they go lazy. I wonder why? I also recommend Idiocracy and tell me that movie does not send chills up your spine that such a thing could be even remotely possible in real life.</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>stubbyfinger</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<p>I think is a great idea. When I was a kid I worked as a prep cook in a 
seafood restaurant and let me tell you&nbsp;if 20,000 calorie an 
ounce&nbsp;concentrated&nbsp;fat made the food taste better they would lather that stuff 
on like gravy. There&rsquo;s no thought whatsoever about how bad something is for 
you, taste, and you making out of the parking lot alive&nbsp;are the&nbsp;only 
considerations, and that&rsquo;s wrong. They don&rsquo;t have a right to&nbsp;quietly and slowly 
poison people.&nbsp;Dr. Guy is right&nbsp;also if you go out to eat you should be aware&nbsp;of 
this but out of sight out of mind.&nbsp;Even when we know&nbsp;it&rsquo;s bad we only think it&rsquo;s 
half as bad as it really is, most peoples jaw would drop if they knew how many 
calories are in some of this stuff.</p>
<p>I&rsquo;ve found that you can cut the calories in half for most dishes with no loss 
of tastiness and if the calories are on the menu it would become&nbsp;at least a 
consideration for them.&nbsp;Quite a few restaurants have low fat versions of their 
dishes on the menu but&nbsp;no actual calorie count for ether. Most just say to 
themselves &ldquo;I&rsquo;m paying a premium how much more calories can the hi test version 
have&rdquo;, well I think they should be told.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>stubbyfinger on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>erathoniel</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<p>I've always wanted them to be required to post their nutrition information. When I'm at the restaraunt, I never can find the nutrition information when I'm contemplating [insert exotic dish here]. Heck, I'm lucky to figure out the ingredients.</p>
<p>Granted, I don't eat well enough. I take a diet based more on how, rather than what I eat, and it works for me. (With no exercise, either, mind you)</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>erathoniel on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Texas  Wahine</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">If caloric count is so important to you, cook your own. I missed the law mandating we eat out all the time.<br/><br/>If I am not calory counting, why should I pay for you habit?</div><br/><br/>Why should I pay for you to know what the hell is in the groceries you buy?<br/><br/>What makes food sold in a restaurant different from food sold in store? ]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Texas  Wahine on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>foreverserenity</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<p>I believe it is a good thing for us to know what the calorie content of the food we eat is, period.&nbsp; It does help us to make the right choices as well as to be informed and aware, nothing wrong with that!&nbsp; Another thing is that now a days most people are becoming more aware of what they eat, definitely a good thing in the battle of obesity!</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>foreverserenity on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Dr Guy</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">Dr. Guy, I don't have a lab at home where I can test foods to determine the caloric values. Do you?</div><br/><br/>If caloric count is so important to you, cook your own.  I missed the law mandating we eat out all the time.<br/><br/>If I am not calory counting, why should I pay for you habit?]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Dr Guy on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Texas  Wahine</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">True, but consumers also have the right to educate themselves to make informed choices</div><br/><br/>THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!!!!<br/><br/>How do you magically know what is in a given dish at a specific restaurant?  How do you educate yourself when the information is withheld?<br/><br/>How many calories are in the fettucine at Fancy Pants Bistro?  <br/><br/>Lean Cuisine fettucine is 290 calories/serving.  California Pizza Kitchen's Chicken Tequila Fettucine has 500 calories/serving.  Olive Garden's Fettucine Alfredo has 850 calories/serving (that's the lunch entree...how many servings are in the dinner entree?).  The Fettucine Alfredo at Macaroni Grill has 1130 calories/serving.<br/><br/>Wow...Fettucine can range from 290 cal/serving to 1130 (and up!)?  Hmmmm....so how do I go about guessing how many calories are in the Fettucine Alfredo at Fancy Pants Bistro?<br/><br/>How do I inform myself?  Do I guess that it's 290 and eat more than 1,000 more calories that day?  Do I guess that it's 1130 and just chew gum all day?  Do I eat half a portion instead?  What should I count that as?<br/><br/>Don't I have a right to know what I'm eating?  I get to know what's in the deodorant I put in my arm pits and what's in the shampoo I lather my hair with, but I shouldn't be allowed to know what is going into my body?<br/><br/>It's not a new thing for the government to insist that companies label the contents of their products.  That's consumer protection.<br/><br/>Dr. Guy, I don't have a lab at home where I can test foods to determine the caloric values.  Do you?  <br/><br/>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Texas  Wahine on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Adventure-Dude</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">I never said the government should run the entire economy lock stock and barrel. I believe in a mixed economy, in which free enterprise can innovate and compete but at the same time government needs to be there to ensure that everyone plays fair.</div><br/><br/>We are in agreement.  <br/><br/><div class="Article_Quote">And as an aside, there are plenty of government businesses that run well... the fire department, police department, libraries, water and sewer</div><br/><br/>Maybe I didn't specify.  Name a Federal/National Government business that runs well.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Adventure-Dude on The Failure of Capitalism!</title></item><item><author>Dr Guy</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">And as an aside, there are plenty of government businesses that run well... the fire department, police department, libraries, water and sewer</div><br/><br/>What do they all have in common?<br/><br/>Give up?  They are run at a local level where citizens can have a more active and proactive voice, not on a federal level where the only thing that is heard are bureaucrats.  And that is where the stranglehold of capitalism (not the regulation as we have the laws in place) is and will be done.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Dr Guy on The Failure of Capitalism!</title></item><item><author>Dr Guy</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">True, but consumers also have the right to educate themselves to make informed choices</div><br/><br/>Thank you for stating it so clearly.  Apparently some are under the impression that it is against the law to inform yourself and only the government is allowed to do that now.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Dr Guy on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">Consumers have a right to make informed choices. Point blank.</div><br/><br/>True, but consumers also have the right to educate themselves to make informed choices. It's not like there is not enough information out there. But other than making people lazy to learn for themselves and the Govt being involved, I don't have much of a problem with this.<br/><br/>Lets be realistic here, if people truly cared about calories they would make it their business to educate themselves on what they eat. It's obvious places like McDonalds, Burger King and KFC (that's Kentucky Fried Chicken, not our JU member) are not the place to eat when it comes to calories, even if they offered low calorie stuff. It's also obvious, if you are educated enough, that certain types of foods could contain large amounts of calories (unless advised by the restaurant in their menu) so really this is more or just being plain lazy to me.<br/><br/>I have to agree with DrGuy on this. It's not about providing the information, it's about the Govt being involved in it.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Texas  Wahine</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[Dr.Guy, I think you're being intentionally obtuse.<br/><br/>How are you going to google the calorie content for restaurant food items if the restaurant does not publish it or make it known in some way?  It's not informed consent if the information needed to make an informed choice is unavailable.<br/><br/>This is essentially just an extension of the existing law regarding nutrition facts. <br/><br/>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Texas  Wahine on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Dr Guy</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">Consumers have a right to make informed choices. Point blank.</div><br/><br/>Is there a law against being informed?  I am unaware of it.  I guess Google is an outlaw site now as well.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Dr Guy on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Dr Guy</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">What I find especially interesting are the folks who believe that because they spent an hour or two walking around a mall or park (maybe burning a couple hundred calories) that that suddenly means they can eat a 2,000 calorie dinner... with other meals throughout the day too... thinking that they've 'worked it off'.</div><br/><br/>I agree.  I just dont agree with:<br/><br/><div class="Article_Quote">With this law in New York passed</div><br/><br/>More laws because of stupid people.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Dr Guy on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Texas  Wahine</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[Consumers have a right to make informed choices.  Point blank.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Texas  Wahine on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Dr Guy</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">But government isn't regulating what you eat, just requiring nutrition information.</div><br/><br/>I never said "regulate" I said "what".  It still is not.  The government is not your nanny. We are adults and should start acting like them instead of spoiled children.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Dr Guy on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Texas  Wahine</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[Heh, you're over-estimating the calories most women need (I know you said avg "person" and didn't dictate gender).  Two cookies could do some women in for the day, three would probably knock out the rest of us.<br/><br/>I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with this AT ALL.<br/><br/>When you purchase food at a store, the manufacturer is required by law to provide nutritional information (with some exceptions).  How is this any different?  <br/><br/>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Texas  Wahine on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Locamama</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">And it is NOT government's business what we eat.</div>But government isn't regulating what you eat, just requiring nutrition information.  All the packaged food you buy in the grocery store has nutrition information.  Does that bother you?  Why should having nutrition information on restaurant food be a problem?<br/><br/>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Locamama on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>CharlesCS</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[I think providing the calorie content is good in terms of giving people the ability to chose based on what daily diet they chose to be in. But it has always been my belief that if people go to places not concerning themselves over what they eat, are ignorant on purpose (as in not bothering to research with so many places to find information) as to what they may be consuming, then it's their fault. One has the option to request for a list of calories. But if the restaurant cant provide it, they have the option to eat somewhere else.<br/><br/>This to me, while a good thing in a why, it takes away the motivation to self educate yourself. Again, leaning towards making people lazier by removing the motivation to educate themselves. I like making my life easier, but if we gonna go this far as to taking away any motivation that would help people educate themselves more, we may as well give everyone a gadget with every answer to every question possible, that way no one will need to learn anything.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>CharlesCS on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>Adventure-Dude</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</comments><description><![CDATA[Can anyone name one Government program that has been long term successful yet alone fiscally sound?<br/><br/>Medicare?<br/>Medicaid?<br/>SCHIP?<br/>Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac?<br/>Social Security?<br/><br/><br/>I agree with your initial statement Artysim.  <br/><br/><div class="Article_Quote">Capitalism only works when society keeps it in check through government.</div><br/><br/>The key word here is 'check' not RUN or CONTROL.  <br/><br/>Deregulation may lead to chaos (Sub prime lending?) but over regulation will choke it out (as we see with oil right now).<br/><br/>The problem I see is when gov't steps in singing..... Anything you can do I can do better.  I can do anything better than you (companies).  <br/><br/>Yet the one's singing that tune the loudest seem to have the least experience running anything successfully.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318037</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Adventure-Dude on The Failure of Capitalism!</title></item><item><author>Dr Guy</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<div class="Article_Quote">Obesity costs the government money.</div><br/><br/>That is a myth.  Like smoking, the government makes money off of health problems.  How?  People die younger so they draw less SS.  And in addition, their vices are heavily taxed.  When government taxes a vice to support a virtue, they must support the vice to continue to fund the virtue.  The biggest proponent of smoking is not Big Tobacco, it is Big Government.<br/><br/>And it is NOT government's business what we eat.  Again the road to hell.  Several years ago it was paved with Poly unsaturated fats.  So they changed to Trans fats.  Guess what?<br/><br/>Tomorrow it will be hydrogenated fats or some such other nonsense.<br/><br/>If you want to know what is in your food, cook it yourself.]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>Dr Guy on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item><item><author>RoyLevosh</author><comments>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</comments><description><![CDATA[<p>I don't see anything wrong with such a law at all. I mean, what's so bad wrong about layin' out the truth to people?</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="True">http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</guid><link>http://artysim.joeuser.com/article/318401</link><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:03:51 -0400</pubDate><pubDateParsed>2008-07-21T00:03:51</pubDateParsed><title>RoyLevosh on A Step in the Right Direction!</title></item></channel></rss>